Re: TS, CALDWELL & THE JESUITS
Apr 22, 2006 03:33 PM
by Vincent
M Sufilight-
You quoted Blavatsky as she was quoting the Bible (the book of
James):
"I will quote Blavatsky - and I agree with her
THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky:
"Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above,
the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--one
to the spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in
man. The former is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure,
peaceable, gentle . . . full of mercy and good fruits, without
partiality and without hypocrisy," while the latter is "the wisdom
that descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, DEVILISH."3
One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness.""
And here's the original passage that Blavatsky quoted from the New
Testament book of James:
James 3
13 Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his
good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.
14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your
heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth.
15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is
earthly, natural, demonic.
16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder
and every evil thing.
17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle,
reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without
hypocrisy.
18 And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by
those who make peace.
(NAS95)
Blessings
Vince
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Hallo Daniel and all,
>
> My views are:
>
> I do care. Please understand, that I write this out of compassion
to the
> theosophical cause.
>
>
> If you, Daniel Caldwell, will continue to be careless about how
your website
> and your own moral behaviour relates to the Jesuits of today, then
it is
> your choice.
> But, you should not come later and say, that none have protested
to you
> against your behaviour on this issue, - the Jesuits.
>
> You have made your choice of ignoring the Jesuitical activities
and
> providing them with the fuel they need.
>
> I will just like Blavatsky keep protesting against the Catholic
Church and
> its Jesuits.
> The fact that you, Daniel Caldwell and your friends obviously are
against
> this tells me, that you supports the Jesuits. Until you and your
website
> have proven me wrong I will have to take such a stance.
> So even if you use a smile :)
> one could easily take that as both being ironical or not being
ironical.
>
>
> Other groups and Theosophical organisations, which ignores the
dangers of
> the present day - Jesuits will hereby be given the same words of
protest.
>
>
> Important quotes and excerpts in the below:
> - - - - - - -
>
> I will quote Blavatsky - and I agree with her
> THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky:
>
> "Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above,
> the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--
one to the
> spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man.
The former
> is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable,
gentle . . . full
> of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without
hypocrisy," while
> the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is
earthly,
> sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of
Darkness."
>
> "Yet no Theosophical Society has ever threatened the public with
moral decay
> and the full
> and free exercise of the seven capital sins under the mask of
holiness and
> the guidance of Jesus!
> Nor are their rules secret, but open to all, for they live in the
broad
> daylight of truth and sincerity.
> And how about the Jesuits in this respect?"
>
> "A brother Jesuit has the right to kill anyone that may prove
dangerous to
> Jesuitism."
>
> "It is curious to observe, how persistently the Order has assailed
> everything like Occultism from the earliest times, and Theosophy
since the
> foundation of its last Society, which is ours. The Moors and the
Jews of
> Spain felt the weight of the oppressive hand of Obscurantism no
less than
> did the Kabalists and Alchemists of the Middle Ages. One would
think
> Esoteric philosophy and especially the Occult Arts, or Magic, were
an
> abomination to these good holy fathers? And so indeed they would
have the
> world believe. But when one studies history and the works of their
own
> authors published with the imprimatur of the Order, what does one
find? That
> the Jesuits have practised not only Occultism, but BLACK MAGIC in
its worst
> form,4 more than any other body of men; and that to it they owe in
large
> measure their power and influence!"
>
> "Jesuits who belong to the highest category," says again Louis
Lambert,
> "have full and absolute liberty of action--even to murder and
arson. On the
> other hand, those Jesuits who are found guilty of the slightest
attempt to
> endanger or compromise the Society of Jesus--are punished
mercilessly. They
> are allowed to write the most heretical books, provided they do
not expose
> the secrets of the Order."
> http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm
(Published
> in Lucifer 1888)
>
>
>
>
> CHRISTIAN COALITION OF AMERICA
> http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4307
> http://www.theocracywatch.org
> (This is what I am against.)
>
>
>
> The Vatican says:
> "Even if it can be admitted that New Age religiosity in some way
responds to
> the legitimate spiritual longing of human nature, it must be
acknowledged
> that its attempts to do so run counter to Christian revelation. "
>
> "The Age of Aquarius has such a high profile in the New Age
movement largely
> because of the influence of theosophy, spiritualism and
anthroposophy, and
> their esoteric antecedents."
>
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/docume
nts/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
> (This is what I am against.)
>
>
> The Catholic Church says:
> "The guiding principles in the Church's treatment of heretics are
the
> following: Distinguishing between formal and material heretics,
she applies
> to the former the canon, "Most firmly hold and in no way doubt
that every
> heretic or schismatic is to have part with the Devil and his
angels in the
> flames of eternal fire, unless before the end of his life he be
incorporated
> with, and restored to the Catholic Church." No one is forced to
enter the
> Church, but having once entered it through baptism, he is bound to
keep the
> promises he freely made. To restrain and bring back her rebellious
sons the
> Church uses both her own spiritual power and the secular power at
her
> command."
>
> "The present-day legislation against heresy has lost nothing of
its ancient
> severity; but the penalties on heretics are now only of the
spiritual order;
> all the punishments which require the intervention of the secular
arm have
> fallen into abeyance. Even in countries where the cleavage between
the
> spiritual and secular powers does not amount to hostility or
complete
> severance, the death penalty, confiscation of goods, imprisonment,
etc., are
> no longer inflicted on heretics."
>
> "Christ said: "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth:
I came not
> to send peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34). The history of heresy
verifies
> this prediction and shows, moreover, that the greater number of
the victims
> of the sword is on the side of the faithful adherents of the one
Church
> founded by Christ (see INQUISITION)."
> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm
> (This is what I am against.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:03 PM
> Subject: Theos-World sufilight: Re: CALDWELL & THE JESUITS
>
>
> Sufilight,
>
> Sorry for the oversight. I guess I left out the other
> zero.
>
> It should have read:
>
> "I'm probably then 100 times worst than that! Chuck
> comes in a poor second! :)"
>
> At this point Sufilight, I would ask you to ponder on the meaning
of
> the following icon:
>
> :)
>
> and then you should take note that I ended the said comment with
> :)
>
> In other words lol or haha or whimsical or please go and check out
> the Comedy Central channel. Maybe you don't get that channel where
> you live but it does have a website.
>
> But putting all lightheartedness aside, let me just comment on the
> following:
>
> "I will very strongly encourage you to Please rethink your moral
> stance on Theosophy and theosophy....."
>
> Well, first of all sufilight, do you even know what my moral stance
> on Theosophy or theosophy is? So how would you really be in a
> position to think that I should REthink MY moral stance?
>
> Geez, where do you guys get this stuff from? :)
>
> But thanks anyway for your positive comments about
> http://blavatskyarchives.com
>
> But if you want to believe that I am or that I am
> becoming "one of the worst enemies to the theosophical cause" then
> go ahead!
>
> In the meantime I will continue to plod ahead and present from time
> to time more information (Theosophical or related) on both my
> website and on this discussion group.
>
> After rereading your email twice, all I can say is to repeat what I
> have already said above:
>
> Geez, where do you guys get this stuff from? :)
>
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
> http://theosophy.info
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > Hallo Daniel and all,
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > I do care. Please understand, that I write this out of compassion
> to the
> > theosophical cause.
> >
> >
> > Daniel wrote:
> > "I'm probably then 10 times worst than that! Chuck
> > comes in a poor second! :)"
> >
> > Daniel Caldweel, to me your reply to Carlos involves me, because
> of I am
> > somehow part of your respone to Carlos.
> >
> > The above words of yours is taken by me, to be quite immoral on
> your part.
> > It shows me, that you really do Not understand the dangerous
> importance of
> > what I was referring to when I wrote these words in a recent
email
> here at
> > Theos-talk:
> >
> > "It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on
> internal
> > debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions
> > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
> namely the
> > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the
> gates of
> > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."
> >
> >
> > To me your reply was very irresponsible!
> > To me you are not supporting Blavatsky's good name and the
> Masters, and
> > ParaBrahman within your own self with such an answer.
> > It is quite saddening to se such remarks coming from you. You
have
> done a
> > good job by publishing important material on your website. But
> your websites
> > lack of moral stance will certainly be your problem in the days
to
> come.
> >
> > If you put this below answer of yours as well as Carlos email,
> which you
> > replied to on the front page of your website, everyone would know
> who you
> > really are.
> >
> > Do understand, that Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com has -
> today - a
> > high level of influence on many beginner theosophists and
> potential
> > theosophists, AND quite important also ordinary scholars; -
> Christian
> > scholars included.
> >
> > I will very strongly encourage you to Please rethink your moral
> stance on
> > Theosophy and theosophy, that includes - especially also - the
> moral stance
> > Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com promotes to the readers of
> it. With
> > other words you are encouraged to create a more compassionate
> website or
> > close it down!
> >
> > If you refuse to do this you will certainly continue to become
one
> of the
> > worst enemies to the theosophical cause and the Theosophical
cause.
> >
> >
> > These are my views.
> > What are the various readers views?
> > Will Daniel Caldwell remain silent on this?
> >
> > Someone shouted:
> > The enemies are at the Gates!
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...and a compassionate hug...
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:59 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: CALDWELL & THE JESUITS
> >
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > Conjure up in your mind the worst possible "image"
> > you have of me.
> >
> > I'm probably then 10 times worst than that! Chuck
> > comes in a poor second! :)
> >
> > But Carlos remember what Master K.H. wrote:
> >
> > "Every man has a potential Dugpa in him."
> >
> > so don't conjure up my image too hard or it might
> > awaken something in ---!! :) How's that Chuck???
> >
> > Daniel W.A.L / B.M.F.
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > <carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ON IDENTIFYING CALDWELL
> > >
> > > Dear Friends,
> > >
> > > An excellent contribution made by Sufilight, see below.
> > >
> > > It is easy to understand where do Paul Johnson, John Algeo,
> > > Gregory Tillet, Pedro Oliveira, Jerry Hejka-Elkins, Chuck the
> > Heretic and others, stand.
> > >
> > > One can see that they defend their own views and opinions.
> > >
> > > But how to locate Daniel Cadlwell?
> > >
> > > Sufilight writes:
> > >
> > > "It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info
on
> > internal
> > > debates between various theosophists disagreements and
fractions
> > > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
> > namely the
> > > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the
> > gates of
> > > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."
> > >
> > > Now, I aske myself: does that mean we should consider Daniel as
> > directly linked to the Vatican, or to "Opus Dei"?
> > >
> > > Does nos seem too likely. Yet Daniel did not deny that he is a
an
> > Internet fraud, a troller and a trickster, as suggested by Paul
> > Johnson. A trickster who makes propaganda of slanders.
> > >
> > > I am curious about that. I did not get to a conclusion yet,
but
> I
> > hope Saturn in transit in Leo will gradually help with that.
> > >
> > > Will Caldwell kindly clarify on that?
> > >
> > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Cópia:
> > >
> > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:08:26 +0200
> > >
> > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
> > >
> > > > Hallo Carlos and all,
> > > >
> > > > My views are:
> > > >
> > > > There is as far as I can tell not much info about the Jesuits
> on
> > the
> > > > Caldwell website www.blavatskyarchives.com
> > > >
> > > > As we know, the Jesuits are today the most dangerous group
> which
> > the
> > > > theosophists faces.
> > > > It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info
> on
> > internal
> > > > debates between various theosophists disagreements and
> fractions
> > > > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
> > namely the
> > > > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside
the
> > gates of
> > > > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp.
> > > > Let me reformulate and say:
> > > > I am not just looking after quotes from wellknown
theosophists
> > on a
> > > > theosophical website, but I am seeking that
> > > > Daniel Caldwell's website and Daniel himself take a moral
> stance
> > on his
> > > > website on the Jesuit issue.
> > > > There is way to little info on the Jesuits on Caldwells
> website.
> > > > Well, that is just little me, and my views and I do not even
> > claim that I
> > > > have a Ph. D. or a M.A.D or anything like that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did this help?
> > > >
> > > > I will add som quotes in the below so to promote a present
> > theosophical
> > > > stance on the matter.
> > > > - - -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will one more time repeat what Blavatsky said.
> > > > An excerpt:
> > > > THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky
> > > > "Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far
> > above,
> > > > the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer
power-
> -
> > one to the
> > > > spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in
> man.
> > The former
> > > > is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable,
> > gentle . . . full
> > > > of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without
> > hypocrisy," while
> > > > the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but
> is
> > earthly,
> > > > sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other
that
> > of Darkness.
> > > > . . ."
> > > >
> http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm
> > (Published
> > > > in Lucifer 1888)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > H. P. Blavatsky says:
> > > > "The words "Jesuit" and "Jesuitism" cover the whole ground.
The
> > Spirit of
> > > > Truth has departed ages ago - if it has ever been near it -
> from
> > the Church
> > > > of Rome. "
> > > > http://www.theosophical.ca/StarAngelWorship.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Background on The Vatican's Secret Archives
> > > > "In 1881, thanks to the generosity of Leo XIII, scholars were
> > allowed free
> > > > access to the Vatican Secret Archives, thus becoming one of
the
> > most
> > > > important historical research centres in the world."
> > > > http://asv.vatican.va/en/arch/1_past.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Excerpts from The Vatican's statement on The essential matrix
> of
> > New Age
> > > > thinking:
> > > > "19th century esotericism is seen by some as completely
> > secularised.
> > > > Alchemy, magic, astrology and other elements of traditional
> > esotericism had
> > > > been thoroughly integrated with aspects of modern culture,
> > including the
> > > > search for causal laws, evolutionism, psychology and the
study
> > of religions.
> > > > It reached its clearest form in the ideas of Helena
Blavatsky,
> a
> > Russian
> > > > medium who founded the Theosophical Society with Henry Olcott
> in
> > New York in
> > > > 1875."
> > > > ...and also...
> > > > "However, it is well to be aware that the doctrine of the
> Christ
> > spread in
> > > > New Age circles is inspired by the theosophical teachings of
> > Helena
> > > > Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner's anthroposophy and Alice
> > Bailey's "Arcane School".
> > > > Their contemporary followers are not only promoting their
ideas
> > now, but
> > > > also working with New Agers to develop a completely new
> > understanding of
> > > > reality, a doctrine known by some observers as "New Age
> truth"."
> > > > ...and also...
> > > > "A prominent component of Mrs. Blavatsky's writings was the
> > emancipation of
> > > > women, which involved an attack on the "male" God of Judaism,
> of
> > > > Christianity and of Islam. She urged people to return to the
> > mother-goddess
> > > > of Hinduism and to the practice of feminine virtues. This
> > continued under
> > > > the guidance of Annie Besant, who was in the vanguard of the
> > feminist
> > > > movement. Wicca and "women's spirituality" carry on this
> > struggle against
> > > > "patriarchal" Christianity today."
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/docume
> > nts/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Help us all:
> > > > I would really like, as many comments on ALL the statements
> this
> > link in the
> > > > above makes about The Theosophical Society, theosophy and
> > Blavatsky.
> > > > These comments could then, by someone, later be formed into
an
> > answer to the
> > > > Vatican and the Pope - and also a relevant newspaper or
> magazine
> > (perhaps
> > > > Der Spiegel.)
> > > >
> > > > This is theosophical thinking. It is much better than
internal
> > nitpickings
> > > > about who has written a lousy book about Theosophy or
> theosophy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just ask. I might be able to help you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > from
> > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "carlosaveline"
> > > > To: "theos-talk"
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:13 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Sufilight,
> > > >
> > > > Can you explain this question of yours addressed to Daniel?
> > > >
> > > > "So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online
on
> > your
> > > > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???"
> > > >
> > > > I missed something here...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot, Sufilight,
> > > >
> > > > Carlos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > Cópia:
> > > >
> > > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:07 +0200
> > > >
> > > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the
Christ?
> > > >
> > > > > Hallo Daniel and all,
> > > > >
> > > > > My views are:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > > There are good info and bad info in that link.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do support Jesus and Christ. But I do it using my own
> > esoterical
> > > > > version.
> > > > >
> > > > > So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online
> on
> > your
> > > > > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???
> > > > > And please understand the thirst after compassion and
> altruism.
> > > > > I am not looking after quotes from wellknown theosophists,
> but
> > seeking
> > > > > that
> > > > > you yourself take a moral stance on your website.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only link with online info on Jesuits I did find was
this
> > one:
> > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/judgeelliotcoues.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Interesting views you have here Daniel Caldwell...
> > > > > http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_daniel.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > from
> > > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "danielhcaldwell"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the Christ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > For a new website with a few recommended titles, see:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://didjesusexist.info/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For some of H.P. Blavatsky's comments on this subject,
> > > > > > and a more comprehensive list of recommended material,
> > > > > > see:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daniel
> > > > > > http://hpb.cc
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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