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Re: TS, CALDWELL & THE JESUITS

Apr 22, 2006 03:33 PM
by Vincent


M Sufilight-

You quoted Blavatsky as she was quoting the Bible (the book of 
James):

"I will quote Blavatsky - and I agree with her
THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky:

"Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above,
the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--one 
to the spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in 
man. The former is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, 
peaceable, gentle . . . full of mercy and good fruits, without 
partiality and without hypocrisy," while the latter is "the wisdom 
that descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, DEVILISH."3 
One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness.""

And here's the original passage that Blavatsky quoted from the New 
Testament book of James:

James 3 
 13 Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his 
good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom. 
 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your 
heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. 
 15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is 
earthly, natural, demonic. 
 16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder 
and every evil thing. 
 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, 
reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without 
hypocrisy. 
 18 And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by 
those who make peace. 
 (NAS95)

Blessings

Vince

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Hallo Daniel and all,
> 
> My views are:
> 
> I do care. Please understand, that I write this out of compassion 
to the
> theosophical cause.
> 
> 
> If you, Daniel Caldwell, will continue to be careless about how 
your website 
> and your own moral behaviour relates to the Jesuits of today, then 
it is 
> your choice.
> But, you should not come later and say, that none have protested 
to you 
> against your behaviour on this issue, - the Jesuits.
> 
> You have made your choice of ignoring the Jesuitical activities 
and 
> providing them with the fuel they need.
> 
> I will just like Blavatsky keep protesting against the Catholic 
Church and 
> its Jesuits.
> The fact that you, Daniel Caldwell and your friends obviously are 
against 
> this tells me, that you supports the Jesuits. Until you and your 
website 
> have proven me wrong I will have to take such a stance.
> So even if you use a smile :)
> one could easily take that as both being ironical or not being 
ironical.
> 
> 
> Other groups and Theosophical organisations, which ignores the 
dangers of 
> the present day - Jesuits will hereby be given the same words of 
protest.
> 
> 
> Important quotes and excerpts in the below:
> - - - - - - -
> 
> I will quote Blavatsky - and I agree with her
> THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky:
> 
> "Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above,
> the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--
one to the
> spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man. 
The former
> is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable, 
gentle . . . full
> of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without 
hypocrisy," while
> the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is 
earthly,
> sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of 
Darkness."
> 
> "Yet no Theosophical Society has ever threatened the public with 
moral decay 
> and the full
> and free exercise of the seven capital sins under the mask of 
holiness and 
> the guidance of Jesus!
> Nor are their rules secret, but open to all, for they live in the 
broad 
> daylight of truth and sincerity.
> And how about the Jesuits in this respect?"
> 
> "A brother Jesuit has the right to kill anyone that may prove 
dangerous to 
> Jesuitism."
> 
> "It is curious to observe, how persistently the Order has assailed 
> everything like Occultism from the earliest times, and Theosophy 
since the 
> foundation of its last Society, which is ours. The Moors and the 
Jews of 
> Spain felt the weight of the oppressive hand of Obscurantism no 
less than 
> did the Kabalists and Alchemists of the Middle Ages. One would 
think 
> Esoteric philosophy and especially the Occult Arts, or Magic, were 
an 
> abomination to these good holy fathers? And so indeed they would 
have the 
> world believe. But when one studies history and the works of their 
own 
> authors published with the imprimatur of the Order, what does one 
find? That 
> the Jesuits have practised not only Occultism, but BLACK MAGIC in 
its worst 
> form,4 more than any other body of men; and that to it they owe in 
large 
> measure their power and influence!"
> 
> "Jesuits who belong to the highest category," says again Louis 
Lambert, 
> "have full and absolute liberty of action--even to murder and 
arson. On the 
> other hand, those Jesuits who are found guilty of the slightest 
attempt to 
> endanger or compromise the Society of Jesus--are punished 
mercilessly. They 
> are allowed to write the most heretical books, provided they do 
not expose 
> the secrets of the Order."
> http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm 
(Published
> in Lucifer 1888)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> CHRISTIAN COALITION OF AMERICA
> http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4307
> http://www.theocracywatch.org
> (This is what I am against.)
> 
> 
> 
> The Vatican says:
> "Even if it can be admitted that New Age religiosity in some way 
responds to 
> the legitimate spiritual longing of human nature, it must be 
acknowledged 
> that its attempts to do so run counter to Christian revelation. "
> 
> "The Age of Aquarius has such a high profile in the New Age 
movement largely 
> because of the influence of theosophy, spiritualism and 
anthroposophy, and 
> their esoteric antecedents."
> 
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/docume
nts/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
> (This is what I am against.)
> 
> 
> The Catholic Church says:
> "The guiding principles in the Church's treatment of heretics are 
the 
> following: Distinguishing between formal and material heretics, 
she applies 
> to the former the canon, "Most firmly hold and in no way doubt 
that every 
> heretic or schismatic is to have part with the Devil and his 
angels in the 
> flames of eternal fire, unless before the end of his life he be 
incorporated 
> with, and restored to the Catholic Church." No one is forced to 
enter the 
> Church, but having once entered it through baptism, he is bound to 
keep the 
> promises he freely made. To restrain and bring back her rebellious 
sons the 
> Church uses both her own spiritual power and the secular power at 
her 
> command."
> 
> "The present-day legislation against heresy has lost nothing of 
its ancient 
> severity; but the penalties on heretics are now only of the 
spiritual order; 
> all the punishments which require the intervention of the secular 
arm have 
> fallen into abeyance. Even in countries where the cleavage between 
the 
> spiritual and secular powers does not amount to hostility or 
complete 
> severance, the death penalty, confiscation of goods, imprisonment, 
etc., are 
> no longer inflicted on heretics."
> 
> "Christ said: "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: 
I came not 
> to send peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34). The history of heresy 
verifies 
> this prediction and shows, moreover, that the greater number of 
the victims 
> of the sword is on the side of the faithful adherents of the one 
Church 
> founded by Christ (see INQUISITION)."
> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm
> (This is what I am against.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:03 PM
> Subject: Theos-World sufilight: Re: CALDWELL & THE JESUITS
> 
> 
> Sufilight,
> 
> Sorry for the oversight.  I guess I left out the other
> zero.
> 
> It should have read:
> 
> "I'm probably then 100 times worst than that!  Chuck
> comes in a poor second!  :)"
> 
> At this point Sufilight, I would ask you to ponder on the meaning 
of
> the following icon:
> 
> :)
> 
> and then you should take note that I ended the said comment with
> :)
> 
> In other words lol or haha or whimsical or please go and check out
> the Comedy Central channel.  Maybe you don't get that channel where
> you live but it does have a website.
> 
> But putting all lightheartedness aside, let me just comment on the
> following:
> 
> "I will very strongly encourage you to Please rethink your moral
> stance on Theosophy and theosophy....."
> 
> Well, first of all sufilight, do you even know what my moral stance
> on Theosophy or theosophy is?  So how would you really be in a
> position to think that I should REthink MY moral stance?
> 
> Geez, where do you guys get this stuff from?  :)
> 
> But thanks anyway for your positive comments about
> http://blavatskyarchives.com
> 
> But if you want to believe that I am or that I am
> becoming "one of the worst enemies to the theosophical cause" then
> go ahead!
> 
> In the meantime I will continue to plod ahead and present from time
> to time more information (Theosophical or related) on both my
> website and on this discussion group.
> 
> After rereading your email twice, all I can say is to repeat what I
> have already said above:
> 
> Geez, where do you guys get this stuff from?  :)
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
> http://theosophy.info
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > Hallo Daniel and all,
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > I do care. Please understand, that I write this out of compassion
> to the
> > theosophical cause.
> >
> >
> > Daniel wrote:
> > "I'm probably then 10 times worst than that!  Chuck
> > comes in a poor second!  :)"
> >
> > Daniel Caldweel, to me your reply to Carlos involves me, because
> of I am
> > somehow part of your respone to Carlos.
> >
> > The above words of yours is taken by me, to be quite immoral on
> your part.
> > It shows me, that you really do Not understand the dangerous
> importance of
> > what I was referring to when I wrote these words in a recent 
email
> here at
> > Theos-talk:
> >
> > "It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on
> internal
> > debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions
> > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
> namely the
> > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the
> gates of
> > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."
> >
> >
> > To me your reply was very irresponsible!
> > To me you are not supporting Blavatsky's good name and the
> Masters, and
> > ParaBrahman within your own self with such an answer.
> > It is quite saddening to se such remarks coming from you. You 
have
> done a
> > good job by publishing important material on your website. But
> your websites
> > lack of moral stance will certainly be your problem in the days 
to
> come.
> >
> > If you put this below answer of yours as well as Carlos email,
> which you
> > replied to on the front page of your website, everyone would know
> who you
> > really are.
> >
> > Do understand, that Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com  has -
> today - a
> > high level of influence on many beginner theosophists and
> potential
> > theosophists, AND quite important also ordinary scholars; -
> Christian
> > scholars included.
> >
> > I will very strongly encourage you to Please rethink your moral
> stance on
> > Theosophy and theosophy, that includes - especially also - the
> moral stance
> > Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com promotes to the readers of
> it. With
> > other words you are encouraged to create a more compassionate
> website or
> > close it down!
> >
> > If you refuse to do this you will certainly continue to become 
one
> of the
> > worst enemies to the theosophical cause and the Theosophical 
cause.
> >
> >
> > These are my views.
> > What are the various readers views?
> > Will Daniel Caldwell remain silent on this?
> >
> > Someone shouted:
> > The enemies are at the Gates!
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...and a compassionate hug...
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:59 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: CALDWELL & THE JESUITS
> >
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > Conjure up in your mind the worst possible "image"
> > you have of me.
> >
> > I'm probably then 10 times worst than that!  Chuck
> > comes in a poor second!  :)
> >
> > But Carlos remember what Master K.H. wrote:
> >
> > "Every man has a potential Dugpa in him."
> >
> > so don't conjure up my image too hard or it might
> > awaken something in ---!!  :)   How's that Chuck???
> >
> > Daniel W.A.L / B.M.F.
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > <carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ON  IDENTIFYING CALDWELL
> > >
> > > Dear Friends,
> > >
> > > An excellent contribution made by Sufilight, see below.
> > >
> > > It is easy to understand where do Paul Johnson, John Algeo,
> > > Gregory Tillet, Pedro Oliveira, Jerry Hejka-Elkins, Chuck the
> > Heretic  and others,  stand.
> > >
> > > One can see that they  defend their own views and opinions.
> > >
> > > But how to locate Daniel Cadlwell?
> > >
> > > Sufilight writes:
> > >
> > > "It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info 
on
> > internal
> > > debates between various theosophists disagreements and 
fractions
> > > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
> > namely the
> > > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the
> > gates of
> > > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."
> > >
> > > Now, I aske myself: does that mean we should consider Daniel as
> > directly linked to the Vatican, or to "Opus Dei"?
> > >
> > > Does nos seem too likely. Yet Daniel did not deny that he is a 
an
> > Internet fraud, a troller  and a trickster, as suggested by Paul
> > Johnson. A trickster who makes propaganda of slanders.
> > >
> > > I am curious about that.  I did not get to a conclusion yet, 
but
> I
> > hope Saturn in transit in Leo will gradually help with that.
> > >
> > > Will Caldwell kindly clarify on that?
> > >
> > > Best regards,   Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Cópia:
> > >
> > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:08:26 +0200
> > >
> > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
> > >
> > > > Hallo Carlos and all,
> > > >
> > > > My views are:
> > > >
> > > > There is as far as I can tell not much info about the Jesuits
> on
> > the
> > > > Caldwell website www.blavatskyarchives.com
> > > >
> > > > As we know, the Jesuits are today the most dangerous group
> which
> > the
> > > > theosophists faces.
> > > > It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info
> on
> > internal
> > > > debates between various theosophists disagreements and
> fractions
> > > > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
> > namely the
> > > > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside 
the
> > gates of
> > > > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp.
> > > > Let me reformulate and say:
> > > > I am not just looking after quotes from wellknown 
theosophists
> > on a
> > > > theosophical website, but I am seeking that
> > > > Daniel Caldwell's website and Daniel himself take a moral
> stance
> > on his
> > > > website on the Jesuit issue.
> > > > There is way to little info on the Jesuits on Caldwells
> website.
> > > > Well, that is just little me, and my views and I do not even
> > claim that I
> > > > have a Ph. D. or a M.A.D or anything like that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did this help?
> > > >
> > > > I will add som quotes in the below so to promote a present
> > theosophical
> > > > stance on the matter.
> > > > - - -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will one more time repeat what Blavatsky said.
> > > > An excerpt:
> > > > THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky
> > > > "Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far
> > above,
> > > > the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer 
power-
> -
> > one to the
> > > > spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in
> man.
> > The former
> > > > is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable,
> > gentle . . . full
> > > > of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without
> > hypocrisy," while
> > > > the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but
> is
> > earthly,
> > > > sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other 
that
> > of Darkness.
> > > > . . ."
> > > >
> http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm
> > (Published
> > > > in Lucifer 1888)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > H. P. Blavatsky says:
> > > > "The words "Jesuit" and "Jesuitism" cover the whole ground. 
The
> > Spirit of
> > > > Truth has departed ages ago - if it has ever been near it -
> from
> > the Church
> > > > of Rome. "
> > > > http://www.theosophical.ca/StarAngelWorship.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Background on The Vatican's Secret Archives
> > > > "In 1881, thanks to the generosity of Leo XIII, scholars were
> > allowed free
> > > > access to the Vatican Secret Archives, thus becoming one of 
the
> > most
> > > > important historical research centres in the world."
> > > > http://asv.vatican.va/en/arch/1_past.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Excerpts from The Vatican's statement on The essential matrix
> of
> > New Age
> > > > thinking:
> > > > "19th century esotericism is seen by some as completely
> > secularised.
> > > > Alchemy, magic, astrology and other elements of traditional
> > esotericism had
> > > > been thoroughly integrated with aspects of modern culture,
> > including the
> > > > search for causal laws, evolutionism, psychology and the 
study
> > of religions.
> > > > It reached its clearest form in the ideas of Helena 
Blavatsky,
> a
> > Russian
> > > > medium who founded the Theosophical Society with Henry Olcott
> in
> > New York in
> > > > 1875."
> > > > ...and also...
> > > > "However, it is well to be aware that the doctrine of the
> Christ
> > spread in
> > > > New Age circles is inspired by the theosophical teachings of
> > Helena
> > > > Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner's anthroposophy and Alice
> > Bailey's "Arcane School".
> > > > Their contemporary followers are not only promoting their 
ideas
> > now, but
> > > > also working with New Agers to develop a completely new
> > understanding of
> > > > reality, a doctrine known by some observers as "New Age
> truth"."
> > > > ...and also...
> > > > "A prominent component of Mrs. Blavatsky's writings was the
> > emancipation of
> > > > women, which involved an attack on the "male" God of Judaism,
> of
> > > > Christianity and of Islam. She urged people to return to the
> > mother-goddess
> > > > of Hinduism and to the practice of feminine virtues. This
> > continued under
> > > > the guidance of Annie Besant, who was in the vanguard of the
> > feminist
> > > > movement. Wicca and "women's spirituality" carry on this
> > struggle against
> > > > "patriarchal" Christianity today."
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> 
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/docume
> > nts/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Help us all:
> > > > I would really like, as many comments on ALL the statements
> this
> > link in the
> > > > above makes about The Theosophical Society, theosophy and
> > Blavatsky.
> > > > These comments could then, by someone, later be formed into 
an
> > answer to the
> > > > Vatican and the Pope - and also a relevant newspaper or
> magazine
> > (perhaps
> > > > Der Spiegel.)
> > > >
> > > > This is theosophical thinking. It is much better than 
internal
> > nitpickings
> > > > about who has written a lousy book about Theosophy or
> theosophy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just ask. I might be able to help you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > from
> > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "carlosaveline"
> > > > To: "theos-talk"
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:13 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Sufilight,
> > > >
> > > > Can you explain this question of yours addressed to Daniel?
> > > >
> > > > "So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online 
on
> > your
> > > > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???"
> > > >
> > > > I missed something here...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot, Sufilight,
> > > >
> > > > Carlos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > Cópia:
> > > >
> > > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:07 +0200
> > > >
> > > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the 
Christ?
> > > >
> > > > > Hallo Daniel and all,
> > > > >
> > > > > My views are:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > > There are good info and bad info in that link.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do support Jesus and Christ. But I do it using my own
> > esoterical
> > > > > version.
> > > > >
> > > > > So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online
> on
> > your
> > > > > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???
> > > > > And please understand the thirst after compassion and
> altruism.
> > > > > I am not looking after quotes from wellknown theosophists,
> but
> > seeking
> > > > > that
> > > > > you yourself take a moral stance on your website.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only link with online info on Jesuits I did find was 
this
> > one:
> > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/judgeelliotcoues.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Interesting views you have here Daniel Caldwell...
> > > > > http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_daniel.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > from
> > > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "danielhcaldwell"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the Christ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > For a new website with a few recommended titles, see:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://didjesusexist.info/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For some of H.P. Blavatsky's comments on this subject,
> > > > > > and a more comprehensive list of recommended material,
> > > > > > see:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daniel
> > > > > > http://hpb.cc
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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