TS, CALDWELL & THE JESUITS
Apr 22, 2006 01:31 PM
by M. Sufilight
Hallo Daniel and all,
My views are:
I do care. Please understand, that I write this out of compassion to the
theosophical cause.
If you, Daniel Caldwell, will continue to be careless about how your website
and your own moral behaviour relates to the Jesuits of today, then it is
your choice.
But, you should not come later and say, that none have protested to you
against your behaviour on this issue, - the Jesuits.
You have made your choice of ignoring the Jesuitical activities and
providing them with the fuel they need.
I will just like Blavatsky keep protesting against the Catholic Church and
its Jesuits.
The fact that you, Daniel Caldwell and your friends obviously are against
this tells me, that you supports the Jesuits. Until you and your website
have proven me wrong I will have to take such a stance.
So even if you use a smile :)
one could easily take that as both being ironical or not being ironical.
Other groups and Theosophical organisations, which ignores the dangers of
the present day - Jesuits will hereby be given the same words of protest.
Important quotes and excerpts in the below:
- - - - - - -
I will quote Blavatsky - and I agree with her
THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky:
"Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above,
the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--one to the
spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man. The former
is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable, gentle . . . full
of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy," while
the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness."
"Yet no Theosophical Society has ever threatened the public with moral decay
and the full
and free exercise of the seven capital sins under the mask of holiness and
the guidance of Jesus!
Nor are their rules secret, but open to all, for they live in the broad
daylight of truth and sincerity.
And how about the Jesuits in this respect?"
"A brother Jesuit has the right to kill anyone that may prove dangerous to
Jesuitism."
"It is curious to observe, how persistently the Order has assailed
everything like Occultism from the earliest times, and Theosophy since the
foundation of its last Society, which is ours. The Moors and the Jews of
Spain felt the weight of the oppressive hand of Obscurantism no less than
did the Kabalists and Alchemists of the Middle Ages. One would think
Esoteric philosophy and especially the Occult Arts, or Magic, were an
abomination to these good holy fathers? And so indeed they would have the
world believe. But when one studies history and the works of their own
authors published with the imprimatur of the Order, what does one find? That
the Jesuits have practised not only Occultism, but BLACK MAGIC in its worst
form,4 more than any other body of men; and that to it they owe in large
measure their power and influence!"
"Jesuits who belong to the highest category," says again Louis Lambert,
"have full and absolute liberty of action--even to murder and arson. On the
other hand, those Jesuits who are found guilty of the slightest attempt to
endanger or compromise the Society of Jesus--are punished mercilessly. They
are allowed to write the most heretical books, provided they do not expose
the secrets of the Order."
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm (Published
in Lucifer 1888)
CHRISTIAN COALITION OF AMERICA
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4307
http://www.theocracywatch.org
(This is what I am against.)
The Vatican says:
"Even if it can be admitted that New Age religiosity in some way responds to
the legitimate spiritual longing of human nature, it must be acknowledged
that its attempts to do so run counter to Christian revelation. "
"The Age of Aquarius has such a high profile in the New Age movement largely
because of the influence of theosophy, spiritualism and anthroposophy, and
their esoteric antecedents."
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
(This is what I am against.)
The Catholic Church says:
"The guiding principles in the Church's treatment of heretics are the
following: Distinguishing between formal and material heretics, she applies
to the former the canon, "Most firmly hold and in no way doubt that every
heretic or schismatic is to have part with the Devil and his angels in the
flames of eternal fire, unless before the end of his life he be incorporated
with, and restored to the Catholic Church." No one is forced to enter the
Church, but having once entered it through baptism, he is bound to keep the
promises he freely made. To restrain and bring back her rebellious sons the
Church uses both her own spiritual power and the secular power at her
command."
"The present-day legislation against heresy has lost nothing of its ancient
severity; but the penalties on heretics are now only of the spiritual order;
all the punishments which require the intervention of the secular arm have
fallen into abeyance. Even in countries where the cleavage between the
spiritual and secular powers does not amount to hostility or complete
severance, the death penalty, confiscation of goods, imprisonment, etc., are
no longer inflicted on heretics."
"Christ said: "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not
to send peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34). The history of heresy verifies
this prediction and shows, moreover, that the greater number of the victims
of the sword is on the side of the faithful adherents of the one Church
founded by Christ (see INQUISITION)."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm
(This is what I am against.)
from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...
----- Original Message -----
From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: Theos-World sufilight: Re: CALDWELL & THE JESUITS
Sufilight,
Sorry for the oversight. I guess I left out the other
zero.
It should have read:
"I'm probably then 100 times worst than that! Chuck
comes in a poor second! :)"
At this point Sufilight, I would ask you to ponder on the meaning of
the following icon:
:)
and then you should take note that I ended the said comment with
:)
In other words lol or haha or whimsical or please go and check out
the Comedy Central channel. Maybe you don't get that channel where
you live but it does have a website.
But putting all lightheartedness aside, let me just comment on the
following:
"I will very strongly encourage you to Please rethink your moral
stance on Theosophy and theosophy....."
Well, first of all sufilight, do you even know what my moral stance
on Theosophy or theosophy is? So how would you really be in a
position to think that I should REthink MY moral stance?
Geez, where do you guys get this stuff from? :)
But thanks anyway for your positive comments about
http://blavatskyarchives.com
But if you want to believe that I am or that I am
becoming "one of the worst enemies to the theosophical cause" then
go ahead!
In the meantime I will continue to plod ahead and present from time
to time more information (Theosophical or related) on both my
website and on this discussion group.
After rereading your email twice, all I can say is to repeat what I
have already said above:
Geez, where do you guys get this stuff from? :)
Daniel
http://hpb.cc
http://theosophy.info
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
Hallo Daniel and all,
My views are:
I do care. Please understand, that I write this out of compassion
to the
theosophical cause.
Daniel wrote:
"I'm probably then 10 times worst than that! Chuck
comes in a poor second! :)"
Daniel Caldweel, to me your reply to Carlos involves me, because
of I am
somehow part of your respone to Carlos.
The above words of yours is taken by me, to be quite immoral on
your part.
It shows me, that you really do Not understand the dangerous
importance of
what I was referring to when I wrote these words in a recent email
here at
Theos-talk:
"It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on
internal
debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions
disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
namely the
Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the
gates of
Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."
To me your reply was very irresponsible!
To me you are not supporting Blavatsky's good name and the
Masters, and
ParaBrahman within your own self with such an answer.
It is quite saddening to se such remarks coming from you. You have
done a
good job by publishing important material on your website. But
your websites
lack of moral stance will certainly be your problem in the days to
come.
If you put this below answer of yours as well as Carlos email,
which you
replied to on the front page of your website, everyone would know
who you
really are.
Do understand, that Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com has -
today - a
high level of influence on many beginner theosophists and
potential
theosophists, AND quite important also ordinary scholars; -
Christian
scholars included.
I will very strongly encourage you to Please rethink your moral
stance on
Theosophy and theosophy, that includes - especially also - the
moral stance
Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com promotes to the readers of
it. With
other words you are encouraged to create a more compassionate
website or
close it down!
If you refuse to do this you will certainly continue to become one
of the
worst enemies to the theosophical cause and the Theosophical cause.
These are my views.
What are the various readers views?
Will Daniel Caldwell remain silent on this?
Someone shouted:
The enemies are at the Gates!
from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...and a compassionate hug...
----- Original Message -----
From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@...>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: CALDWELL & THE JESUITS
Carlos,
Conjure up in your mind the worst possible "image"
you have of me.
I'm probably then 10 times worst than that! Chuck
comes in a poor second! :)
But Carlos remember what Master K.H. wrote:
"Every man has a potential Dugpa in him."
so don't conjure up my image too hard or it might
awaken something in ---!! :) How's that Chuck???
Daniel W.A.L / B.M.F.
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
<carlosaveline@> wrote:
>
> ON IDENTIFYING CALDWELL
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> An excellent contribution made by Sufilight, see below.
>
> It is easy to understand where do Paul Johnson, John Algeo,
> Gregory Tillet, Pedro Oliveira, Jerry Hejka-Elkins, Chuck the
Heretic and others, stand.
>
> One can see that they defend their own views and opinions.
>
> But how to locate Daniel Cadlwell?
>
> Sufilight writes:
>
> "It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on
internal
> debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions
> disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
namely the
> Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the
gates of
> Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."
>
> Now, I aske myself: does that mean we should consider Daniel as
directly linked to the Vatican, or to "Opus Dei"?
>
> Does nos seem too likely. Yet Daniel did not deny that he is a an
Internet fraud, a troller and a trickster, as suggested by Paul
Johnson. A trickster who makes propaganda of slanders.
>
> I am curious about that. I did not get to a conclusion yet, but
I
hope Saturn in transit in Leo will gradually help with that.
>
> Will Caldwell kindly clarify on that?
>
> Best regards, Carlos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>
> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>
> Cópia:
>
> Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:08:26 +0200
>
> Assunto:Re: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
>
> > Hallo Carlos and all,
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > There is as far as I can tell not much info about the Jesuits
on
the
> > Caldwell website www.blavatskyarchives.com
> >
> > As we know, the Jesuits are today the most dangerous group
which
the
> > theosophists faces.
> > It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info
on
internal
> > debates between various theosophists disagreements and
fractions
> > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
namely the
> > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the
gates of
> > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp.
> > Let me reformulate and say:
> > I am not just looking after quotes from wellknown theosophists
on a
> > theosophical website, but I am seeking that
> > Daniel Caldwell's website and Daniel himself take a moral
stance
on his
> > website on the Jesuit issue.
> > There is way to little info on the Jesuits on Caldwells
website.
> > Well, that is just little me, and my views and I do not even
claim that I
> > have a Ph. D. or a M.A.D or anything like that.
> >
> >
> > Did this help?
> >
> > I will add som quotes in the below so to promote a present
theosophical
> > stance on the matter.
> > - - -
> >
> >
> >
> > I will one more time repeat what Blavatsky said.
> > An excerpt:
> > THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky
> > "Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far
above,
> > the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power-
-
one to the
> > spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in
man.
The former
> > is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable,
gentle . . . full
> > of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without
hypocrisy," while
> > the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but
is
earthly,
> > sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that
of Darkness.
> > . . ."
> >
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm
(Published
> > in Lucifer 1888)
> >
> >
> > H. P. Blavatsky says:
> > "The words "Jesuit" and "Jesuitism" cover the whole ground. The
Spirit of
> > Truth has departed ages ago - if it has ever been near it -
from
the Church
> > of Rome. "
> > http://www.theosophical.ca/StarAngelWorship.htm
> >
> >
> > Background on The Vatican's Secret Archives
> > "In 1881, thanks to the generosity of Leo XIII, scholars were
allowed free
> > access to the Vatican Secret Archives, thus becoming one of the
most
> > important historical research centres in the world."
> > http://asv.vatican.va/en/arch/1_past.htm
> >
> >
> > Excerpts from The Vatican's statement on The essential matrix
of
New Age
> > thinking:
> > "19th century esotericism is seen by some as completely
secularised.
> > Alchemy, magic, astrology and other elements of traditional
esotericism had
> > been thoroughly integrated with aspects of modern culture,
including the
> > search for causal laws, evolutionism, psychology and the study
of religions.
> > It reached its clearest form in the ideas of Helena Blavatsky,
a
Russian
> > medium who founded the Theosophical Society with Henry Olcott
in
New York in
> > 1875."
> > ...and also...
> > "However, it is well to be aware that the doctrine of the
Christ
spread in
> > New Age circles is inspired by the theosophical teachings of
Helena
> > Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner's anthroposophy and Alice
Bailey's "Arcane School".
> > Their contemporary followers are not only promoting their ideas
now, but
> > also working with New Agers to develop a completely new
understanding of
> > reality, a doctrine known by some observers as "New Age
truth"."
> > ...and also...
> > "A prominent component of Mrs. Blavatsky's writings was the
emancipation of
> > women, which involved an attack on the "male" God of Judaism,
of
> > Christianity and of Islam. She urged people to return to the
mother-goddess
> > of Hinduism and to the practice of feminine virtues. This
continued under
> > the guidance of Annie Besant, who was in the vanguard of the
feminist
> > movement. Wicca and "women's spirituality" carry on this
struggle against
> > "patriarchal" Christianity today."
> >
> >
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/docume
nts/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
> >
> >
> > Help us all:
> > I would really like, as many comments on ALL the statements
this
link in the
> > above makes about The Theosophical Society, theosophy and
Blavatsky.
> > These comments could then, by someone, later be formed into an
answer to the
> > Vatican and the Pope - and also a relevant newspaper or
magazine
(perhaps
> > Der Spiegel.)
> >
> > This is theosophical thinking. It is much better than internal
nitpickings
> > about who has written a lousy book about Theosophy or
theosophy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just ask. I might be able to help you.
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "carlosaveline"
> > To: "theos-talk"
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:13 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
> >
> >
> > Dear Sufilight,
> >
> > Can you explain this question of yours addressed to Daniel?
> >
> > "So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online on
your
> > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???"
> >
> > I missed something here...
> >
> > Thanks a lot, Sufilight,
> >
> > Carlos.
> >
> >
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Cópia:
> >
> > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:07 +0200
> >
> > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the Christ?
> >
> > > Hallo Daniel and all,
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > > There are good info and bad info in that link.
> > >
> > > I do support Jesus and Christ. But I do it using my own
esoterical
> > > version.
> > >
> > > So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online
on
your
> > > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???
> > > And please understand the thirst after compassion and
altruism.
> > > I am not looking after quotes from wellknown theosophists,
but
seeking
> > > that
> > > you yourself take a moral stance on your website.
> > >
> > > The only link with online info on Jesuits I did find was this
one:
> > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/judgeelliotcoues.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > ...Interesting views you have here Daniel Caldwell...
> > > http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_daniel.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > from
> > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "danielhcaldwell"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:53 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the Christ?
> > >
> > >
> > > > For a new website with a few recommended titles, see:
> > > >
> > > > http://didjesusexist.info/
> > > >
> > > > For some of H.P. Blavatsky's comments on this subject,
> > > > and a more comprehensive list of recommended material,
> > > > see:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm
> > > >
> > > > Daniel
> > > > http://hpb.cc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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