Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00439)

Mark,

I saw that.  Yet the allegory does not apply.

Daniel has the chance now to say P. Johnson is wrong and he, 
Daniel, is not an internet fraud or a "troller" deceiving his way into
notoriety. 

Let's see if he reacts as an honest person. 

Carlos. 


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Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:54:39 -0300

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Give Daniel a Chance

> My comment was in jest. I was creating an allegory to the Salem witch 
> trial.
> 
> -Mark H.
> 
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:44:44 -0300, carlosaveline 
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Mark,
> >
> > Not at all, and Daniel may show to us that he is not a fraud similar to 
> > the Coulombs... Let's not judge him. Let's give a chance to say 
> > Johnson is wrong.
> >
> > Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Cópia:
> >
> > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:27:41 -0300
> >
> > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Daniel's Motive for Laughing
> >
> >> Witch!
> >>
> >> Burn the witches!
> >>
> >> -Mark H.
> >>
> >> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:23:17 -0300, carlosaveline
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dear Friends,
> >> >
> >> > Daniel seems to be trying to laugh his way out of his present
> >> > situation...
> >> >
> >> > Carlos.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >> >
> >> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >> >
> >> > Cópia:
> >> >
> >> > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:04:22 -0000
> >> >
> >> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel's Motive in Slandering
> >> >
> >> >> Carlos,
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh good my reputation will then be really "bad" and Chuck
> >> >> will not be the #1 bad guy on Theos-Talk!!
> >> >>
> >> >> ----------------
> >> >> OBTW Chuck, thanks for sending me that red cape. I never
> >> >> knew being a dugpa could be so much fun. No wonder you
> >> >> always have a grin!
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe Erica (on the other chat list....) could post your photo
> >> >> with your red cape too! Send it to her!
> >> >>
> >> >> Daniel W.A.L. Caldwell
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dear Friends,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Since Daniel likes gossips so much, I give him, see in another
> >> >> posting, a new copy of Paul Johnson's testimony on his own
> >> >> (Daniel's) possible fraudulent activites at the Internet.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now, therefore, Daniel Caldwell will be able to update his
> >> >> gossips.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Instead of 19th century ones, he can explain his own present and
> >> >> recent activities and let us know whether he is such a compulsive
> >> >> liar as Vsevolod Soloviof , the Coulombs and similar persons.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Personally, my main interest is still Theosophy and Philosophy,
> >> >> not personality gossips.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yet I recognize that if Daniel should result to be a fraudulent
> >> >> Internet troller afterall, he would have the MOTIVES to make so much
> >> >> propaganda about 19th century slanderers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Best regards, Carlos.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cópia:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:14:38 -0000
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel's Slanders
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Carlos,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > You have such a limited vocabulary... :)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Aren't you curious about this letter given
> >> >> > > in facsimile?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > It may or may not have some relevance to
> >> >> > > the Judge controversy. I don't know.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > But it is interesting that this supposed
> >> >> > > Mahatma letter surfaced in 1890 or before.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Where did it come from?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Also interesting that Coues is apparently trying
> >> >> > > to attribute it to Judge. I wonder if Besant
> >> >> > > or Olcott was aware of this at this time or maybe later.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > And notice HPB's letter to Coues in 1889, she
> >> >> > > is defending Judge. Is that slanderous gossip too???
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Daniel
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Dear Friends,
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > More slanderous gossips and lies over one hundred years old.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Carlos.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Cópia:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:46 -0000
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Assunto:Theos-World How did Coues have possession of this
> >> >> Mahatma
> >> >> > > Letter in 1890 or before?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > It would appear that as early as July 1890
> >> >> > > > > William Judge was accused of writing [forging]
> >> >> > > > > Mahatma Letters.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Elliott Coues in The Sun (a major New York newspaper)
> >> >> > > > > on Sunday, July 20, 1890 (p. 17) was apparently
> >> >> > > > > asked the following question:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > "How about those 'Mahatmic' letters we heard so much about a
> >> >> > > while
> >> >> > > > > ago, such a one, for example, as the Chicago Tribune
> >> >> published
> >> >> > > in
> >> >> > > > > fac-simile?" asked the reporter.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Coues is reported as replying:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > "Oh, you mean those Aids to Faith in Blavatsky which went
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > > > rounds? Here are a couple. They are at your service if you
> >> >> wish
> >> >> > > to
> >> >> > > > > print them. You see the envelope is a long narrow one made
> >> >> of
> >> >> > > thin,
> >> >> > > > > rough paper such as is commonly used in the East and stamped
> >> >> > > with
> >> >> > > > > some characters like those on a Chinese tea chest. The rice
> >> >> > > writing
> >> >> > > > > paper is heavy, with a smooth glaze, and has or did have a
> >> >> faint
> >> >> > > > > odor of sandal wood. The large red blotch on one of them I
> >> >> > > believe
> >> >> > > > > is simply the maker's or dealer's mark, but do not know. The
> >> >> wax
> >> >> > > > > seal on the other is the monogram of finger ring which once
> >> >> > > > > Blavatsky loudly protested in the columns of London Light,
> >> >> she
> >> >> > > alone
> >> >> > > > > possessed but of which Judge has a duplicate or a good
> >> >> > > imitation.
> >> >> > > > > The subject of the communication is simply bosh, as you
> >> >> > > perceive;
> >> >> > > > > the handwriting is almost unquestionably that of Mr. Judge,
> >> >> who
> >> >> > > is
> >> >> > > > > an expert penman."
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > The 2 letters mentioned were reproduced in the "Sun"
> >> >> article.
> >> >> > > You
> >> >> > > > > can see the facsimiles at:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Some might be interested to compare the handwriting of the
> >> >> first
> >> >> > > > > letter given here with the facsimiles of later letters
> >> >> disputed
> >> >> > > > > after HPB's death and published in the Garrett book. See
> >> >> some
> >> >> > > > > reproductions in Pelletier's book on pages 358 and 356.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > It would be interesting to have a documents expert compare
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > > > handwriting of the first letter [that Coues mentions] as
> >> >> given
> >> >> > > in
> >> >> > > > > the SUN article with the letter given in facsimile in
> >> >> Pelletier
> >> >> > > p.
> >> >> > > > > 358.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > How did Coues receive the first letter given in facsimile at:
> >> >> > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Did he receive it from Judge or from HPB or .....?
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > One important fact to keep in mind is that this letter
> >> >> surfaced
> >> >> > > > > during the lifetime of HPB and was apparently in Coues
> >> >> > > possession
> >> >> > > > > prior to July 20, 1890.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > I wonder if Judge or HPB mentioned this letter in any of
> >> >> their
> >> >> > > > > letters in 1890 or 1891 before HPB died.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Daniel
> >> >> > > > > http://hpb.cc
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
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