Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00391)

Vincent <vblaz2004@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Vince, in response

> Before one can even get an inkling of the esoteric, one needs to 
>be fully versed in the universal language of symbols, religion, and 
>science.

On a mortal level, this would require 1000 years of studying the 
different fields of knowledge that the world has to offer.  But 
hopefully, I think, one can bypass such a vast energy expenditure if 
one may indeed access knowledge through the portalway of 
supernatural intuition.

Cass: Precisely my point.  I agree that intuition has a big part to play, but without the background in science/symbology/religion it is almost impossible to relate this  information into knowledge.   We may 'know' it but we are unable to put the knowing into words.

> What do we actually mean we throw out words such as exoteric and 
>esoteric.  At Uni I was taught that the exoteric simply carried the 
>story, (The Merchant of Venice) etc, while the esoteric was the 
>moral dilemma of the human condition underlying the  story.

So the exoteric and the esoteric are ideally combined?

Cass: It depends on the reader, when my 18 year old daughter was studying the Merchant of Venice, her basic understanding of the Merchant was that he was a shylock.  I pointed out to her that the esoteric hidden or moral message was carried by the exoteric tale.  Same thing as legends and myths.

Cheers
Cass

Blessings

Vince

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva  wrote:
>
> What if we apply this principle to Theosophy, i.e.
> Exoterically what is HPB saying?
> Esoterically what is HPB saying?
> 
> Before one can even get an inkling of the esoteric, one needs to 
be fully versed in the universal language of symbols, religion, and 
science.
> 
> Exoterically she is saying that religion has caused all the 
suffering in the world, and she has also provided explananation on 
how the cosmos works.
> 
> What do we actually mean we throw out words such as exoteric and 
esoteric.  At Uni I was taught that the exoteric simply carried the 
story, (The Merchant of Venice) etc, while the esoteric was the 
moral dilemma of the human condition underlying the  story.
> 
> Cass
> 
> Vincent  wrote: Here is my take on the following:
> 
> Exoteric: Knowledge which is freely given to the masses (sort of 
> like free grammar schooling for kids; government and society fit 
the 
> bill, so poor individuals can still get it)
> 
> Esoteric: Knowledge which you have to pay money for (sort of like 
> getting an expensive college degree, if you're first wealthy; 
higher 
> education costs big bucks)
> 
> At least, that's how Exoteric and Esoteric knowledge are dispensed 
> by the schools in the United States.  Take for example, the realms 
> of medicine, law, management supervision or high-tech 
engineering.  
> These are all esoteric realms of knowledge, which are not freely 
> dispensed.  You better have the money.  These are the secret 
> doctrines of corporate professionals.
> 
> But don't dare tote this knowledge without a corporate title and 
> paper degree.  You must first be authorized.
> 
> Blessings
> 
> Vince
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M K Ramadoss"  wrote:
> >
> > Here is my take on the following.
> > 
> > With passage of time what was once esoteric/hidden becomes 
> exoteric.
> > 
> > The real secrets are never to be found written anywhere as much 
of 
> it has to
> > learned to read between the lines and using one's intuition.
> > 
> >  Hence, I do not see any problem in making what has already been 
> printed or
> > handwritten to be made available on the Internet.
> > 
> > For those who are not yet ready to really understand, even when 
> truth stares
> > at them when they read a written material, they are likely to be 
> blind to it
> > and do not see it.
> > 
> > In my own personal experience, there are items I have read 
decades 
> ago which
> > did not make much sense then are now making more sense and am 
able 
> to
> > understand better.
> > 
> > mkr
> > 
> > PS: I read somewhere that a great man said "Nothing created by 
> human mind is
> > sacred"
> > 
> > 
> > On 4/17/06, M. Sufilight  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I am quite certain, that those Seekers after Truth, who yet do 
> NOT really
> > > and honestly Know, what is good to publish and make officially 
> available -
> > > and what NOT to make officially available - aught NOT to 
publish 
> anything -
> > > not yet published. And they aught to carefully consider their 
> conscience
> > > when copying papers from other authuors and while later 
> distributing them -
> > > for instance distributing them on the Internet. We all have 
> something to
> > > learn.
> > > Remember, that the Master said, that Blavatsky in fact was too 
> outspoken.
> > >
> > 
> > 
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