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Re: On Circulating Slanders

Apr 17, 2006 01:30 PM
by carlosaveline


 Vincent,

I am discussing the documents which Daniel also admits are not true. 

The ones he published (as referred in previous postings).   

My point is that any editor who knows he is publishing false documents must most clearly identify them at their opening, in order  not to mislead average readers. 

On the other hand, I don't see what is the purpose of publishing well-known lies, forgeries  and slanders. 

Regards, Carlos. 

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Cópia:

Data:Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:16:14 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel Circulating Slanders

> Carlos-
> 
> What specific documents are you asserting to be slanderous?
> 
> Blessings
> 
> Vince
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > 
> > I don't see contradiction in my two paragraphs quoted by Daniel. 
> > 
> > Indeed, in his disgusting and sad book, there is "no word from 
> the 'editor' Daniel Cadlwell admitting he is publishing documents 
> which have no trace of truth in them whatsoever".
> > 
> > He only says that those texts are not likely to be true, or 
> something similar, and thus he follows the well-known "maybe 
> policy". 
> > 
> > And even this he writes in a way which the average reader will 
> most likely NOT SEE. 
> > 
> > John Algeo did the same thing with the HPB Letters. Some 20 per 
> cent of the texts published by Algeo in his "HPB Letters" volume I --
> - are fake. 
> > 
> > Caldwell was more modest -- but then, he was the pioneer in 
> publishing semi-unidentified lies and libels as if they were part 
> of the theosophical literature. 
> > 
> > In the introduction of his unfortunate boook, Caldwell 
> calls "testimonies" those open and shameful lies.
> > 
> > No honest editor or Historian can do such a thing. I still hope 
> in the future Caldwell will realize that this is not the proper 
> thing to do. 
> > 
> > Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:33:45 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World "No proper identification": Do we have a good 
> example with the ETS reprint???
> > 
> > > Readers,
> > > 
> > > Please notice the progression here:
> > > 
> > > Originally Carlos wrote:
> > > 
> > > "In the disgusting volume The Esoteric World of Madame 
> Blavatsky —
> > > while believing the editor has selected truthful documents — the
> > > reader will bump into many of the lies written against HPB. 
> There he
> > > will see two texts by Emma Coulomb (pp. 35-36 and pp. 210-215) 
> with
> > > no word from the 'editor' Daniel Cadlwell admitting he is 
> publishing
> > > documents which have no trace of truth in them whatsoever."
> > > 
> > > Notice Carlos' words:
> > > 
> > > "....no word from the 'editor' Daniel Cadlwell admitting ...."
> > > 
> > > Now after I have pointed out repeatedly that this is simply not 
> true 
> > > by quoting directly from my book several statements showing that 
> > > what Carlos wrote is not accurate, Carlos apparently backs off 
> from 
> > > his "NO WORD" stance and writes instead:
> > > 
> > > "Only in the final pages of his sad book he made commentaries 
> > > admitting those 'texts' were likely not authentic."
> > > 
> > > Well I guess we should be happy with his apparent concession and 
> > > retraction of his original statement!!!
> > > 
> > > But now we must puzzle over his definition of FINAL in the 
> > > phrase "the FINAL pages"....
> > > 
> > > because more than 100 pages BEFORE the final pages of the book I 
> > > wrote at the appropriate place about the Coulomb attack having 
> no 
> > > solid foundation....
> > > 
> > > Anyway moving on....
> > > 
> > > If Carlos is really "upset" because I gave "no proper 
> > > identification" about the Coulomb testimony, then is the 
> following 
> > > example another example of what Carlos would consider "no proper 
> > > identification."
> > > 
> > > In 1995, the Edmonton Theosophical Society (who is also the 
> > > publisher of Fohat where Carlos originally wrote his above 
> quoted 
> > > words about my book) REPRINTED the ENTIRE 112 pages of Madame 
> > > Coulomb's "disgusting" (to use Aveline's description) pamphlet. 
> > > 
> > > They published the ENTIRE pamphlet and sold it. A correspondent 
> of 
> > > mine originally wrote me informing me that he had bought this 
> > > reprint and I in turn bought copies although I had a copy of the 
> > > original. 
> > > 
> > > Nowhere in the reprint by ETS is there ONE WORD warning today's 
> > > readers about the contents of this volume....not even in the 
> FINAL 
> > > pages of this reprint!!
> > > 
> > > Maybe Carlos should dash off a letter to FOHAT and ETS telling 
> them 
> > > that they should have done differently....that they should not 
> have 
> > > reprinted this DISGUSTING volume...and with "no proper 
> > > identification." !!!
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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