Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00034)

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SOCRATES, JULIAN AND H.P.B.:

DID THE THREE "TALK TOO MUCH"?

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Dear Friends,


HPB was "abandoned" by theosophists in India in 1884, during the persecution 
against her. This is a fact. Yet this did not happened  just because Olcott 
failed or had not loyalty enough. It is more complicated than that.

Authentic chelas are allowed to think for themselves and to disagree from 
their sacred Gurus. It is only Leadbeater and Besant who deny that and 
suggest the opposite.

In 1884-85, some of the Indian chelas, including influential ones as Mr. 
Subba Row, bitterly accused HPB of "talking too much" about the teachings 
and about the Masters, and thus attracting attacks against the movement and 
the Masters.  They were wrong. They "forgot" what was acting under orders 
and working for humanity as a whole, with a long-term perspective.

But the question of "giving too much" to the public about sacred and secret 
teachigs is a difficult issue for those to try to serve mankind --  even if 
they reveal the teachings under legitimate orders, as HPB most certainly 
did.

The difficulties are  connected with the Mystery of Initiation of these very 
souls.   (No excuse here  to those who abandoned HPB in 1884-85 -- only a 
broader view of the context.)

Therefore,  H. P. Blavatsky  had her reasons to write about the karma of 
teaching "too much" in the case of both Socrates and Julian the "Apostate".

And she did:


“Julian died for the same crime as Socrates. Both  divulged a portion of  
the solar mystery, the heliocentric system being only a part of what was 
given during Initiation – one consciously (1) , the other unconsciously, the 
Greek Sage never  having been initiated. It was not the real solar system 
that was preserved in  such secrecy, but the mysteries connected with the 
Sun’s constitution. Socrates was sentenced to death  by earthly and worldly 
judges; Julian died a violent death because the hitherto protecting hand was 
withdrawn from him, and, no longer shielded by it, he was simply left to his 
destiny or Karma.  For the student of Occultism there is a suggestive  
difference between the two kinds of death.” (2)

[And H.P.B. goes on to say that  poets often unknowingly capture parts of 
secrets of initiation, and  include these secrets in their verses.]

HPB was not killed physically, for teaching what she taught -- but she was 
killed morally,  and her physical life got shorter for the persecution 
against her.

In the several references HPB makes to  Socrates, it is clear that he had 
much in common with her and her work.


Best regards,   Carlos.


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NOTES:

(1) Emperor Julian, called “Julian the Apostate” by  the Christians,  was an 
Initiate in the Mithraic Mysteries, the Mysteries of Mithras.

(2) “Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky”, TPH, Wheaton, USA, volume XIV, 
1985, 733 pp., see pp. 222-223, footnote.

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