Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt01462)

What is the lunar pitris?

Vince

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Vincent raises a good point.  We know that the lunar pitris 
endowed the human kingdom, but what about the animal kingdom.  How  
did they get started????
> Cass 
> 
> Vincent <vblaz2004@...> wrote: Bart
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> "Except that those pseudo-students don't really exist;"
> 
> Conjecture on your part.  You cannot materially prove that 
something 
> doesn't exist, at least if you're using scientific methods.  For 
> something must first materially exist before scientific evidence 
can 
> be provided for it.  You're simply theorizing at this point.
> 
> "they are fictions created by the anti-Darwinists."
> 
> Again, you're thinking in stictly black and white terms.  My 
stance 
> is not Anti-Darwinian.  You have merely assumed such.  There are 
> more than two types of people in the world.  Not just creationists 
> and evolutionists.  I suggest that you should attempt to see past 
> these two categories of people in the world.
> 
> For example, there are Christian creative evolutionists (which I 
am 
> not), and there are mystical evolutionists (for lack of a better 
> term) such as myself, who hold that all species of man and beast 
> descended and separated from higher spirit beings, so that they 
> might first cyclically devolve and subsequently evolve, each in 
> their own uniqueness on this earth.
> 
> "But that's the point; you were bringing up straw man arguments 
> commonly used to "disprove" Darwin."
> 
> The 'strawman arguments' which you refer to did not originate from 
> me, not was I supporting them.  Nor do I believe that they 
disprove 
> Darwin.  And 'commonly', as you have used the word, is 
> not 'always'.  And you have now multiply brought up 
these 'strawman' 
> arguments yourself, as you phrase them, in your mere reference of 
> them, despite accusing me of doing the same.  Seems like a double 
> standard to me.
> 
> You're missing the context in which the issue was raised, and are 
> merely gravitating to isolated portions of text, while failing to 
> see the whole.  You're debating against an imaginary opponent that 
> you've creatively constructed in your own psyche, through the 
strain 
> of your own black and white interpretation.
> 
> Vince
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky  wrote:
> >
> > Vincent wrote:
> > > Strawman arguments against who or what?  I wasn't arguing 
> against 
> > > Darwin.  I was arguing against those psuedo-students of Darwin 
> who 
> > > merely misrepresent him.  I have never argued against Darwin 
> > > anywhere in this thread or forum as you slanderously assert.
> > 
> >  Except that those pseudo-students don't really exist; they 
> are fictions 
> > created by the anti-Darwinists.
> > 
> > > What I specifically said was that I don't believe that humans 
> > > evolved from apes.  From that point onward, you ignorantly 
> assumed 
> > > that I was arguing against Darwin (when I actually am more in 
> > > agreement with Darwin himself, namely that apes and humans 
each 
> > > evolved from a common ancestor).  Nonetheless, you instantly 
> > > projected your anti-sentiment against anything that doesn't 
> sound 
> > > strictly Darwinian to you.
> > 
> >  But that's the point; you were bringing up straw man 
> arguments commonly 
> > used to "disprove" Darwin.
> > 
> >  Bart
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make  PC-to-Phone Calls using 
Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>