Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt01447)

Vincent <vblaz2004@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Bart

You wrote:

"Except that those pseudo-students don't really exist;"

Conjecture on your part.  You cannot materially prove that something=20
doesn't exist, at least if you're using scientific methods.  For=20
something must first materially exist before scientific evidence can=20
be provided for it.  You're simply theorizing at this point.

"they are fictions created by the anti-Darwinists."

Again, you're thinking in stictly black and white terms.  My stance=20
is not Anti-Darwinian.  You have merely assumed such.  There are=20
more than two types of people in the world.  Not just creationists=20
and evolutionists.  I suggest that you should attempt to see past=20
these two categories of people in the world.

For example, there are Christian creative evolutionists (which I am=20
not), and there are mystical evolutionists (for lack of a better=20
term) such as myself, who hold that all species of man and beast=20
descended and separated from higher spirit beings, so that they=20
might first cyclically devolve and subsequently evolve, each in=20
their own uniqueness on this earth.

"But that's the point; you were bringing up straw man arguments=20
commonly used to "disprove" Darwin."

The 'strawman arguments' which you refer to did not originate from=20
me, not was I supporting them.  Nor do I believe that they disprove=20
Darwin.  And 'commonly', as you have used the word, is=20
not 'always'.  And you have now multiply brought up these 'strawman'=20
arguments yourself, as you phrase them, in your mere reference of=20
them, despite accusing me of doing the same.  Seems like a double=20
standard to me.

You're missing the context in which the issue was raised, and are=20
merely gravitating to isolated portions of text, while failing to=20
see the whole.  You're debating against an imaginary opponent that=20
you've creatively constructed in your own psyche, through the strain=20
of your own black and white interpretation.

Vince

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky  wrote:
>
> Vincent wrote:
> > Strawman arguments against who or what?  I wasn't arguing=20
against=20
> > Darwin.  I was arguing against those psuedo-students of Darwin=20
who=20
> > merely misrepresent him.  I have never argued against Darwin=20
> > anywhere in this thread or forum as you slanderously assert.
>=20
>  Except that those pseudo-students don't really exist; they=20
are fictions=20
> created by the anti-Darwinists.
>=20
> > What I specifically said was that I don't believe that humans=20
> > evolved from apes.  From that point onward, you ignorantly=20
assumed=20
> > that I was arguing against Darwin (when I actually am more in=20
> > agreement with Darwin himself, namely that apes and humans each=20
> > evolved from a common ancestor).  Nonetheless, you instantly=20
> > projected your anti-sentiment against anything that doesn't=20
sound=20
> > strictly Darwinian to you.
>=20
>  But that's the point; you were bringing up straw man=20
arguments commonly=20
> used to "disprove" Darwin.
>=20
>  Bart
>






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