Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt01405)

You wrote:

"The fact that you were using straw man arguments, mainly."

Strawman arguments against who or what?  I wasn't arguing against 
Darwin.  I was arguing against those psuedo-students of Darwin who 
merely misrepresent him.  I have never argued against Darwin 
anywhere in this thread or forum as you slanderously assert.

What I specifically said was that I don't believe that humans 
evolved from apes.  From that point onward, you ignorantly assumed 
that I was arguing against Darwin (when I actually am more in 
agreement with Darwin himself, namely that apes and humans each 
evolved from a common ancestor).  Nonetheless, you instantly 
projected your anti-sentiment against anything that doesn't sound 
strictly Darwinian to you.

"That was in reference to your saying that you like to make 
outrageous comments to stir things up. If you make an outrageous 
comment with the intent of backing it up, that is discussion. Making 
outrageous statements that you cannot back up, and not representing 
them as such, is, BY DEFINITION, being a troll."

I'll feel free to say alot of outrageous things, and I'll back them 
up too.  The problem is that you had veered off seeking for an 
actual basis for any statements of mine that you were offended by, 
rather declaring my statements as ignorant and absurd in a 
derogatory context of accusation and condescension, in order to 
pounce upon some imagined enemy that you created in your own head.

If you make an accusation with the intent of backing it up, then 
that is a prosecution.  Making accusatory statements that you cannot 
back up, is by DEFINITION, being a slanderer.

"Well, you did. You argue against Darwinian theory using claims that 
are not made by Darwinians."

Slander on your part.  I was never arguing against Darwinian 
theory.  You simply assumed that I was.

Darwin taught that apes and humans evolved from an identical 
ancestor, which I fully believe, and have always believed.  My 
particular reference was that I don't believe that humans evolved 
from apes, which is a theory that was presented to me by pseudo-
Darwinian students.

"You are the one who started indicting and condescending."

You're displaying selective attention with the exact quotes of yours 
that I've offered you in post #31598.  You seem to have a hard time 
with accountability, but I'm going to hold you to it all the way 
nonetheless.  I quoted your statements directly to you concerning 
your accusation and condescension, but you were too cowardly to 
acknowledge them.  I am now accusing you of slander as well.  Let's 
follow these allegations and counter-allegations through to their 
complete fruition.

I will again provide for you your statements in direct quotes (as 
opposed to your many loose paraphrases and misrepresentations of 
mine) that I had offered to you previously.  I do this graciously 
for you, despite the cowardice of your selective memory.

You've made accusatory statements such as:

"Then you should be prepared to back it up. Otherwise, you are being
a troll." (post #31465)

"You set up a series of straw men, and then proceeded to knock them
down." (post #31463)

And condescending statements such as:

"I am not going to teach you evolutionary theory from the ground
up." (post #31410)

"Maybe because the only people making that claim are those who are
disputing it? This, and...

...demonstrate that you know little about evolutionary theory."
(post #31398)

Show some authority.  You're not cutting it right now.

Vince

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@...> wrote:
>
> Vincent wrote:
> > What precisely offended you in my statement that prompted your 
> > condescening remarks?
> 
> 	The fact that you were using straw man arguments, mainly.
> 
>   > "Then you should be prepared to back it up. Otherwise, you are 
being
> > a troll." (post #31465)
> 
> 	That was in reference to your saying that you like to make 
outrageous 
> comments to stir things up. If you make an outrageous comment with 
the 
> intent of backing it up, that is discussion. Making outrageous 
> statements that you cannot back up, and not representing them as 
such, 
> is, BY DEFINITION, being a troll.
> 
> > "You set up a series of straw men, and then proceeded to knock 
them 
> > down." (post #31463)
> 
> 	Well, you did. You argue against Darwinian theory using 
claims that are 
> not made by Darwinians.
> 
> 
> > So another question for you: Are you here to discuss?  (sure 
doesn't 
> > seem like it) Or are you here to indict and condescend?
> 
> 	You are the one who started indicting and condescending.
> 
> 	Bart
>