Re: Adyar's "Irrelevancy" and Earth Axis
Mar 18, 2006 07:27 AM
by krsanna
Carlos -- I said an earth axis change is not pertinent to the
subcycle I am discussing. You are getting confused. You sometimes
read into posts your own assumptions rather than statements that are
actually made. Bart also does this.
Do you want to discuss the regular reversal of the earth's north and
south magnetic poles? HPB discussed that and a model of how that
occurs has been recently developed. We can talk about the earth
axis change.
I have recently discussed the periodic change of tilt in the planet
over 25,920 years. This discussion was on my own list, and many
people do not realize that the earth's tilt is not ALWAYS 23.5
degrees.
Solar activity causes plenty of problems for the military and
private satellite communication providers. This is far more
relevant to this subcycle and the topic I was discussing.
Best regards,
Krsanna
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Krsanna,
>
> I am surprised to think you are not familiar with the idea
of "Earth Axis
> Change", even if you are familiar with the cycle debates.
>
> Its a central concept as we discuss cycle changes among
theosophists. This
> concept is nearly everywhere in the literature.
>
> Best regards, Carlos.
>
>
> >From: "krsanna" <timestar@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Adyar's "Irrelevancy" and Earth Axis
> >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:35:20 -0000
> >
> >Carlos -- As regards the relevancy of old people, one of best
> >friends for 16 years is 92 years old this year. She was born in
> >1914, and I admire her greatly. I once made a special trip to a
> >neighboring state to set up her computer to get her on the
internet,
> >so we could stay in touch.
> >
> >Energy and commitment behind words are what make make a
difference.
> >Without energy and commitment, words are empty symbols.
> >
> >I have no idea how "verticalization of the Earth Planetary Axis"
is
> >pertinent to my comments. This looks like a new idea that you are
> >introducing. The only context in which I have ever discussed the
> >earth's vertical axis is that the tilt of the planet varies by at
> >least 5 degrees over long periods of time. As regards
> >communications systems, during the last solar maximum, I forecast,
> >in advance of the events, several 13-day windows in which
satellite
> >and computer communications would likely be affected by solar
flares
> >and coronal mass ejections. By the way, my forecasts were
accurate
> >on on several occasions.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Krsanna
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Krsanna,
> > >
> > > 1) Everything which has a heart is relevant.
> > >
> > > 2) Irrelevancy is in the eye of the beholder.
> > >
> > > 3) Physical plane groups of people are not only physical plane.
> >Real people
> > > interact in all of their seven principles, and "it takes seven
> >principles to
> > > have a human being". At the Internet, you have a restriction,
a
> >certain
> > > lack of commitment, while you also have important advantages,
of
> >course.
> > > That's the relevance not only of Adyar, but every theosophical
> >group, lodge
> > > or institution, from Adyar through Tacoma Lodge (until
recently,
> >part of
> > > Adyar).
> > >
> > > 4) Old people are relevant, too, as you will see when you are
in
> >your 70s
> > > and 80s.
> > >
> > > 5) On the other hand, you must know the limitations of
Internet.
> > >
> > > 6) Its isolation of individuals and its stimulation to wild
> >individualism is
> > > useful to dominant powers pre-empt political changes nowadays,
and
> >to
> > > de-politicize citizens.
> > >
> > > 7) Finally, have you thought about the consequences which a
> >sudden
> > > verticalization of the Earth Planetary Axis would have on the
> >satelite
> > > communications such as Internet and the like? The process from
> >here to 2022
> > > may not be entirely lineal and "under control", as the USA
State
> > > Derpartment well knows.
> > >
> > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Theos-World Adyar's irrelevancy
> > > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:34:16 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Carlos -- It is true, as you say, ultimately, "there is no
> > > >real "separation" between Adyar and non-Adyar
groups/institutions
> >at
> > > >the inner level." This does not account for the demographics
of
> > > >Theosophists when viewed as organizations.
> > > >
> > > >A Young Theosophists is defined as someone under the age of
35.
> >I'd
> > > >like to hear back from others as to the percentage of Young
> > > >Theosophists in their organizations. One of our members was
30
> >when
> > > >we started our study group in 2004, and was shocked to get an
> > > >invitation to join the Young Theosophists.
> > > >
> > > >"These guys think I'm young?" A Theosophist born in 1976 is
now
> >30
> > > >years old and grew up with computer games, "Star Wars," and
UFO
> > > >reports on television. Experienced (matured) Theosophists
are a
> > > >different culture than the "experienced" or mature
Theosophists
> >over
> > > >the age of 65.
> > > >
> > > >While the mature Theosophists are one on the inner level with
the
> > > >younger generation, the older ones will disappear a lot
sooner and
> > > >leave the existing Young Theosophists -- however few there
are --
> >to
> > > >carry on the work. My Young Theosophist in Missoula
suggested to
> > > >our study group that we create a web site that will speak in
the
> > > >terms of people his age.
> > > >
> > > >He loves HPB too, but he wants to animate the images she
describes
> > > >in the Proem and Stanzas for a web site we are making. He
grew up
> > > >with the internet and regularly participates in "nerd fests"
where
> > > >his friends get together and play computer games. He lives in
> > > >culturally different terms than many older Theosophists.
> > > >
> > > >The internet by itself has done much to make Adyar irrelevant.
> >I'm
> > > >more interested in the terms of the Young Theosophists that I
am
> >in
> > > >trying to rescue the elder generation. The older generation
will
> > > >disappear and return to seek truth in new cultural terms.
> > > >
> > > >The National Lodge at Wheaton started its FIRST internet list
> >about
> > > >2 years ago with the question, "Should Christianity be
saved?" It
> > > >was based on an article explaining that many people, including
> > > >merchants, are shying away from the word, "Christmas," and,
> >instead,
> > > >tend to use the term "Holiday."
> > > >
> > > >This is a sign of changing times that many eagerly
anticipate. It
> > > >is for this reason that I say Adyar is irrelevant. The
market for
> > > >what Adyar's offering is disappearing. The world has changed
and
> > > >many (older) Theosophists are not changing rapidly enough to
keep
> > > >pace.
> > > >
> > > >A new generation will take the helm, possibly in an internet
> > > >environment, and change the way Theosophy is addressed in the
> > > >culture. I'm looking forward to it. Animations of the Proem
will
> > > >be fun.
> > > >
> > > >Best regards,
> > > >Krsanna
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > theosophists in general and humanity, too. The Pasadena
> >Society,
> > > >the
> > > > > Edmonton Theos. Society, the ULT, Adyar TS, other smaller
> >groups,
> > > >all are
> > > > > relevant and each can make a difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso
aveline"
> > > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Krsanna,
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Adyar may be irrelevant from one viewpoint, but perhaps
more
> > > >than 80
> > > > > percent of theosophists world wide belong to it and asre
more
> >or
> > > >less
> > > > > trapped. "Souls are at stake", as one Master wrote in a
Letter.
> > > >Souls, in a
> > > > > way, are far from irrelevant.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) The non-Adyar groups and institutions are far from being
> > > > > above-imperfections, and many of the Adyar mistakes can be
> >found
> > > >in
> > > > > non-Adyar groups, even if a smaller degree.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) This happens because there is no real "separation"
betwwen
> > > >Adyar and
> > > > > non-Adyar groups/institutions at the inner level --- we are
> >all in
> > > >the same
> > > > > boat, theosophists in general and humanity, too. The
Pasadena
> > > >Society, the
> > > > > Edmonton Theos. Society, the ULT, Adyar TS, other smaller
> >groups,
> > > >all are
> > > > > relevant and each can make a difference. I hope you agree
with
> > > >that.
> > > > > Universal Brotherhood is the link between us and the Adyar
TS.
> >If
> > > >we are
> > > > > solidary with the Tacoma TS, that is because TSA in
relevant.
> >Each
> > > >Lodge
> > > > > counts. Each person, each soul, each Higher Manas is
relevant,
> >in
> > > >a way,
> > > > > which does not mean you are "wrong" in what you wrote -- I
am
> >just
> > > >bringing
> > > > > a complementary view of things.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Can you quote from the Bowen Notes on the brain?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: To Krsanna: On Seeking Truth
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:43:48 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Carlos -- A number of HPB's comments -- and the Bowen
Notes --
> > > > > >regarding the brain are consistent with the research on
the
> >brain
> > > > > >that's been done only in recent decades. A very different
> >model
> > > >of
> > > > > >the brain was in place in the 19th century. I wrote
about a
> > > > > >fantastic book by UCLA research psychiatrist, Jeffrey
> >Schwartz,
> > > > > >entitled, "The Mind & The Brain" in the last few weeks.
> >Schwartz
> > > > > >has applied Buddhist techniques to research that hadn't
even
> > > >started
> > > > > >until the 1960's and gets good results.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Several things I've learned about optimum use of the body
> >coincide
> > > > > >very well with HPB's knowledge, such as her discussion of
the
> > > > > >brain. The "Bowen Notes" mention that "every conscious
mental
> > > > > >picture formed means change and destruction of the atoms
of
> >the
> > > > > >brain" is a match with recent research. This principle
is now
> > > >used
> > > > > >in rehabilitation for stroke victims.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I do not assume that everything coming from Adyar is
false;
> >more
> > > > > >correctly, Adyar is increasing irrelevant. Adyar hitched
its
> > > >wagon
> > > > > >to a paternalistic 19th century mindset that elected to
> >undermine
> > > > > >HPB for the sake of propriety. The world has outgrown
Adyar
> >and
> > > > > >what's left of greatest value is HPB's work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Krsanna
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso
> >aveline"
> > > > > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Krsanna,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks a lot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) Most of HPB's Esoteric Teachings, that is, her
> >teachings to
> > > >the
> > > > > >Esoteric
> > > > > > > School, have been published already by Boris de
Zirkoff in
> >the
> > > > > >volume XII of
> > > > > > > her "Collected Writings".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before that, they had been published with some small
> >changes in
> > > > > >the Annie
> > > > > > > Besant's version of the "Secrec Doctrine", by 1897.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (For that, Besant broke her own personal vows of
> >secrecy!!!)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since then, Adyar ES uses much more CWL's, Annie
Besant's
> >and
> > > >C.
> > > > > > > JInarajadasa's texts then texts by HPB -- its founder!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) HPB's oral teachings to the very Inner Group of the
> >Esoteric
> > > > > >School have
> > > > > > > also been published, by "Point Loma Publications", San
> >Dioego,
> > > >CA,
> > > > > >1985.
> > > > > > > First edition, 1985, better than the second one.
> >(Title: "The
> > > > > >Inner Group
> > > > > > > Teachings".)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3) We are dealing with human beings. Perhaps the same
> >persons
> > > >who
> > > > > >seem to
> > > > > > > doubt the authenticity of the Bowen Notes are among the
> >brave
> > > > > >souls who
> > > > > > > preserved HPB's main teachings up to our time. Perhaps
> >they are
> > > > > >right in
> > > > > > > doubting it. If not, we should take into consideration
that
> > > >while
> > > > > >working
> > > > > > > under consistent currents of attack and slander, many
> >people
> > > >will
> > > > > >develop
> > > > > > > psychological defense-mechanisms. One of such possible
> > > >defense-
> > > > > >mechanisms
> > > > > > > may be the strong feeling that "everything coming from
> >Adyar
> > > >is,
> > > > > >in
> > > > > > > principle, FALSE". There are delicate magnetic issue
> >related
> > > >to
> > > > > >this, too.
> > > > > > > Because "everything coming from Adyar has indeed
> >something of
> > > > > >Adyar's
> > > > > > > magnetism" -- as I believe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > These points are very brief --- I apologize for the
> > > >telegraphic
> > > > > >style...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But-- may the dialogue go on!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (My main point as to the Bowen Notes is that their
content
> >is
> > > > > >consistent
> > > > > > > with HPB's teachings. The same as to the 1900 Letter --
> >but I
> > > >only
> > > > > >say that
> > > > > > > because I count on the generosity of those brave and
loyal
> > > >souls
> > > > > >who may
> > > > > > > disagree from my view. I would never "fight" over
this.
> >Only -
> > > >-
> > > > > >sincere and
> > > > > > > honest diversity of views enriches the movement...
and it
> > > > > >exercises our
> > > > > > > mutual tolerance and modesty. We are all but students
in
> >their
> > > > > >search, and
> > > > > > > helping each other with their views!)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: WHEN TRUTH IS A LIE
> > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:13:12 -0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >It is unfortunate for modern students that HPB did not
> >reveal
> > > > > > > >informatmion given to her Esoteric Section, on whom
she
> > > >relied to
> > > > > > > >guide the TS, to Theosophists at large. Bowen was a
> >member
> > > >of the
> > > > > > > >Esoteric Section and was with HPB during the last
weeks
> >of her
> > > > > >life.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >How would Theosophists know what HPB was teaching the
> >Esoteric
> > > > > > > >Section, since their literature was not made public?
> >Bowen
> > > > > > > >mentioned HPB's sense of urgency in teaching the
Esoteric
> > > >Section
> > > > > >in
> > > > > > > >her last weeks, and a sense of urgency is conveyed in
the
> > > > > > > >letter, "Why I Do Not Return To India."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >After sending the letter to India to be distributed
among
> > > > > > > >Indians, "for some reason," it was not distributed by
> >Olcott
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >other leaders of the Indian Section. This is
certainly a
> > > >measure
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > >the opposition in India to Theosophy as HPB taught it.
> > > >Bowen, as
> > > > > >a
> > > > > > > >member of the Esoteric Section with Blavatsky in the
last
> > > >weeks of
> > > > > > > >her life, was in a better position to know what she
> >taught the
> > > > > > > >Esoteric Section that was not available to other
> >Theosophists.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Carlos, who are these people that are willing to
accept as
> > > >fact
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >whispers of a cabal who opposed HPB and deny the
> >testimony of
> > > > > > > >trusted students who stayed with her in the Esoteric
> >Section
> > > >until
> > > > > > > >the end? What was the motive of those in India that
> >failed to
> > > > > > > >distribute her letter to Theosophists in India?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The "take-over" of Blavatsky's Theosophical Society in
> >India
> > > >was
> > > > > >all
> > > > > > > >but complete one year before her death. The persons
> >present
> > > > > > > >throughout the dismissal of Blavatsky's importance to
> > > >Theosophy
> > > > > >were
> > > > > > > >Olcott and Besant.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Olcott is the overlooked figure that was continuously
> > > >involved in
> > > > > > > >efforts to undermine HPB's authority, working as he
did
> >as a
> > > >jolly
> > > > > > > >good fellow to keep the opposition against HPB off
his own
> > > >back.
> > > > > > > >Olcott worked to protect his own rear. The success
of his
> > > > > > > >socialable betrayal is seen today in the
organizations he
> >left
> > > > > > > >behind, which includes the American Section created
after
> > > >HPB's
> > > > > > > >death.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Best regards,
> > > > > > > >Krsanna
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline
cardoso
> > > >aveline"
> > > > > > > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dear Krsanna,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I also have a general, unfortunately vague
recollection
> > > >that
> > > > > >there
> > > > > > > >are
> > > > > > > > > dedicated HPB students who doubt not only the
> >authenticity
> > > >of
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >Bowen
> > > > > > > > > Notes, but also the authenticity of her Diagram of
> > > >Meditation.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yet this is not a big deal. Examining both texts we
> >will
> > > >see
> > > > > >both
> > > > > > > >are
> > > > > > > > > consistent with H.P.B.'s writings.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Bowen Notes but stress and underline some basic
> >points
> > > >she
> > > > > >had
> > > > > > > >made in
> > > > > > > > > several places, the Three Fundamental Propositions
> >above
> > > >all.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would say the same as to the 1900 Letter, which
is
> >rather
> > > > > > > >similar to the
> > > > > > > > > so-called and fundamental "Letter from the Maha-
> >Chohan"
> > > >(in
> > > > > >fact
> > > > > > > >it is but
> > > > > > > > > a report on the Maha-Chohan's view of the TS).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And the 1900 Letter also anticipates all the
mistakes
> >A.
> > > >Besant
> > > > > > > >would do in
> > > > > > > > > the following 33 years: that why its main sentences
> >were
> > > >kept
> > > > > > > >hidden and
> > > > > > > > > censored by A. Besant, C. Jinarajadasa and their
> > > >successors.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I guess the tendency to reject there three
documents
> >may be
> > > > > > > >associated to a
> > > > > > > > > feeling that "everything which comes from Adyar
is, in
> > > > > >principle,
> > > > > > > >false".
> > > > > > > > > There are strong reasons for such a feeling, of
> >course,
> > > >but
> > > > > > > >whenever
> > > > > > > > > possible things should be examined case-by-case and
> > > >CONTENTS of
> > > > > > > >documents
> > > > > > > > > should be evaluated to see if they are consistent
or
> >not
> > > >with
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > HPB/Masters teaching.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am not saying that the origin these documents is
> > > > > >authentic; I
> > > > > > > >am saying
> > > > > > > > > that their content is consistent with their being
> >possibly
> > > > > > > >authentic. And
> > > > > > > > > the content, and the usefulness of things, is
often
> >more
> > > > > > > >important than
> > > > > > > > > their outward form or origin.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: WHEN TRUTH IS A LIE
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:16:20 -0000
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Bart -- I'm surprised that you would settle for
> >casting
> > > >doubt
> > > > > >but
> > > > > > > > > >not proving. Let me know when you find something
> > > >definitive.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > >Krsanna
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky
> ><bartl@>
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ah! I found what I was looking for. It was
> >more
> > > > > >casting
> > > > > > > > > >doubt than
> > > > > > > > > > > proving false, but here's an indirect ref:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theos-
> > > > > >talk.com/archives/200306/tt00137.html
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Bart Lidofsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You are right; I was hoping that
somebody
> > > >here might
> > > > > > > >know
> > > > > > > > > >more about
> > > > > > > > > > > > it. I will find out for sure tomorrow,
however.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > krsanna wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>Bart -- Can you provide an authority for that
> > > > > >citation. "I
> > > > > > > > > >heard...
> > > > > > > > > > > >>[somewhere, sometimes]" doesn't do you
justice.
> >I'm
> > > > > >sure you
> > > > > > > > > >can
> > > > > > > > > > > >>come up with something better than that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>Krsanna
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart
Lidofsky
> > > ><bartl@>
> > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>krsanna wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Cass -- I posted the "Bowen Notes" taken
from
> > > >meetings
> > > > > >with
> > > > > > > > > >HPB
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>shortly before her death. Best regards,
> >Krsanna
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I thought I heard something about
the Bowen
> > > >Notes
> > > > > > > >being
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>fraudulent; I
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>will have to check up on this.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Bart
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
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