Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00919)

Carlos -- Thank you for your thoughts.

Best regards,
Krsanna

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Krsanna,
> 
> 
> I appreciate your recent interest in Theosophy, which started in 
2003, if I 
> remember it right.
> We are not fighting over ideas, we are exchanging views.
> 
> After 20 or 30 years studying Theosophy, people tend to expand 
their  
> perception of time and
> space so that short term periods tend to be much 
less "exclusively" 
> important.
> 
> Considering the period 1875-2020 as a very short term period, I 
would say 
> that the Prayag Letter, as the Letter 10 (or Letter 88 in tghe 
Chronological 
> Edition), and several other documents in the ML and LMW I and II,  
show that 
> an essential part of the theosophical movement's mission is to 
fight 
> religious dogmatism, even inside the theosophical movement itself!
> 
> In order to fight that now, we also have to understand the 
mechanism by 
> which illusions were created in the movement.
> 
> History is Karma.
> 
> The practical relevance of this is that religious dogmatism is at 
the root 
> of the challenges humanity face now and will face in the future.
> 
> Credulity leads to hipocrisy, as the Master says in the 1900 
Letter.  We 
> must get rid of both.
> 
> If there is hipocrisy in the movement now, it is a result of blind 
belief.
> 
> In the report on the Maha Chohan's view of the theosophical 
movement, the 
> movement is
> described as the cornestone of future spiritual evolution of 
mankind.
> 
> The reason is simple.
> 
> The movement is itself a laboratory to start the alchemical 
process leading 
> to the awakening of the buddhic, sixth subprinciple in human 
consciousness, 
> and this also corresponds to the prepararation of the sixth 
subrace of  the 
> fifth race, which will have that subprinciple developed.  This 
refers to 
> Higher manas and intuitive thought.  A kind of thought compatible 
with 
> Silence.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "krsanna" <timestar@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Correcting "Adyar's irrelevancy and our 
relevancy"
> >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:32:22 -0000
> >
> >Carlos -- Every molecule is relevant to the entire cosmos in the
> >sense you describe.  Of you pick up a rock and throw it, you have
> >changed the face of the planet.  How much time have you spent
> >dealing with the dogs of the world in the last year?  How much 
money
> >have you spent taking stray dogs have to the veterinarian.
> >
> >Let's move away from self-righteous positions for a moment and get
> >pragmatic.  What do you really do with your time and energy, 
despite
> >the vastly worthy molecules that are part and parcel of the 
cosmos?
> >
> >How do you really manage your energy, Carlos?  Assume a person has
> >10 units of energy to use in mundane living.  Or, we could say a
> >person has 10 beans to trade for other resources.  That person
> >spends all 10 units of energy or 10 beans taking care of the 
Vatican
> >or the poper at Adyar, how much is left to deal with other 
elements
> >of life?
> >
> >Adyar is as relevant to me as the Vatican is.  Pragmatically, both
> >are very low priorities when I must decide how to manage my energy
> >and resources.  I manage resources to accomplish maximum benefit
> >with available resources.
> >
> >I am a pragmatist and am honest about it.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Krsanna
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > >
> > > This is the correct version of a sentence, in my discussion of
> > > the theosophical organizations'  irelevancy:
> > >
> > >
> > > "And who are ourselves, in our supreme intelligences, to 
declare
> >that  such
> > > an organization is irrelevant, and that other, whose ideas we 
do
> >approve, is
> > > not?"
> > >
> > > Sorry!  Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@>
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Theos-World Adyar's irrelevancy and our relevancy
> > > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:34:16 -0400
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> > > >
> > > >ON ADYAR'S IRRELEVANCY -- AND
> > > >
> > > >OUR OWN EXTREME IMPORTANCE.
> > > >
> > > >oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Friends,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >OK. Adyar is irrelevant.
> > > >
> > > >What about Pasadena TS, ULT, Edmonton Theosophical Society, 
and
> >Tacoma TS?
> > > >All irrelevants, too ?
> > > >
> > > >Is everything irrelevant -- except us and our marvellous
> >computers?
> > > >
> > > >And who are ourselves, in our supreme intelligences, to 
declare
> >that  such
> > > >an organization is irrelevant, and that other, whose ideas we 
do
> >approve,
> > > >is
> > > >not?
> > > >
> > > >For instance, the Vatican is irrelevant, because we  do not
> >approve of the
> > > >ideas of the Pope.  Or would it be more realistic to say that 
the
> >Vatican
> > > >is
> > > >relevant, because its mistakes are relevant?  As so are 
nuclear
> >weapons and
> > > >politicians?
> > > >
> > > >Now, let's think of reciprocity in the theosophical movement.
> > > >
> > > >What about Adyar members declaring Pasadena TS irrelevant?
> > > >
> > > >What about each little group and even each individual 
("groups are
> > > >unnecessary") declaring  others "irrelevant"?
> > > >
> > > >So the ULT declares Pasadena TS irrelevant,  Pasadena TS 
declares
> >other
> > > >groups irrelevant, and thus we all live the principal of 
UNIVERSAL
> > > >BROTHERHOOD... by dclaring each other "irrelevant"?
> > > >
> > > >If this is it, I agree: we are all irrelevants -- our
> >personalities, at
> > > >least.
> > > >
> > > >Yet at the same time  we can see that each leaf of grass (W.
> >Whitman) has
> > > >its own purpose in the Universe.
> > > >
> > > >Each soul, including, perhaps, those  human monads associated
> >with Adyar,
> > > >Pasadena and the  E.T.S., Tacome TS, etc., are relevant, 
unique
> >and
> > > >significant  in a way.
> > > >
> > > >Except our lower selves, who want to consider themselves 
extremely
> > > >important, of course.
> > > >
> > > >In time,  my wife and I have three dogs in our rural area 
house.
> > > >
> > > >The dogs, whose "chief"  is white and respectable Mrs. 
Pitchula,
> >are
> > > >extremely relevant.
> > > >
> > > >Yet each street dog abandoned in Brazilian cities is relevant 
too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Best regards,  yours  and relevant, Carlos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Drpsionic@
> > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar's irrelevancy
> > > > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:35:38 EST
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >In a message dated 3/16/2006 7:35:32 AM Central Standard 
Time,
> > > > >timestar@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >The  internet by itself has done much to make Adyar
> >irrelevant.  I'm
> > > > >more  interested in the terms of the Young Theosophists 
that I
> >am in
> > > > >trying to  rescue the elder generation.  The older 
generation
> >will
> > > > >disappear and  return to seek truth in new cultural terms.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Well, as a rapidly aging theosophist, I agree.  When folks 
my
> >age  joined
> > > > >in
> > > > >the mid to late 70s we were the young'ns and we brought our
> >particular
> > > > >strangeness with us.  Now we are the old folks and the 
world is
> >much
> > > > >different.
> > > > >When I joined the TS in 1978, there were only a few channels
> >on
> > > >broadcast
> > > > >television, VCRs were just invented, cell phones did not
> >exist,
> > > >computers
> > > > >were
> > > > >either huge, slow and clunky or overgrown pocket calculators
> >with  a few
> > > > >graphics
> > > > >thrown in.
> > > > >
> > > > >There was no internet as we know it, nothing digital.
> >Communication  was
> > > > >slow and required paper and postage or the telephone.
> > > > >
> > > > >A portable video camera kit weighed 80 pounds and shot in 
black
> >and
> > > >white.
> > > > >
> > > > >The world is much changed and the way people view their 
world
> >has changed
> > > > >with it.  Like everyone before us was and everyone after us
> >will be, we
> > > >are
> > > > >products of our time and we see things through the lens of 
that
> >time.  In
> > > > >the
> > > > >rapidly becoming old days, groups and organizations were
> >necessary
> > > >because
> > > > >the
> > > > >means of communication made them necessary.  That may no 
longer
> >be the
> > > > >case.
> > > > >
> > > > >Chuck the Heretic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
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