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Krsanna and the Sixth Subprinciple

Mar 17, 2006 07:17 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline




Krsanna,


I appreciate your recent interest in Theosophy, which started in 2003, if I remember it right.
We are not fighting over ideas, we are exchanging views.

After 20 or 30 years studying Theosophy, people tend to expand their perception of time and
space so that short term periods tend to be much less "exclusively" important.

Considering the period 1875-2020 as a very short term period, I would say that the Prayag Letter, as the Letter 10 (or Letter 88 in tghe Chronological Edition), and several other documents in the ML and LMW I and II, show that an essential part of the theosophical movement's mission is to fight religious dogmatism, even inside the theosophical movement itself!

In order to fight that now, we also have to understand the mechanism by which illusions were created in the movement.

History is Karma.

The practical relevance of this is that religious dogmatism is at the root of the challenges humanity face now and will face in the future.

Credulity leads to hipocrisy, as the Master says in the 1900 Letter. We must get rid of both.

If there is hipocrisy in the movement now, it is a result of blind belief.

In the report on the Maha Chohan's view of the theosophical movement, the movement is
described as the cornestone of future spiritual evolution of mankind.

The reason is simple.

The movement is itself a laboratory to start the alchemical process leading to the awakening of the buddhic, sixth subprinciple in human consciousness, and this also corresponds to the prepararation of the sixth subrace of the fifth race, which will have that subprinciple developed. This refers to Higher manas and intuitive thought. A kind of thought compatible with Silence.


Best regards,











From: "krsanna" <timestar@...>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World Re: Correcting "Adyar's irrelevancy and our relevancy"
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:32:22 -0000

Carlos -- Every molecule is relevant to the entire cosmos in the
sense you describe.  Of you pick up a rock and throw it, you have
changed the face of the planet.  How much time have you spent
dealing with the dogs of the world in the last year?  How much money
have you spent taking stray dogs have to the veterinarian.

Let's move away from self-righteous positions for a moment and get
pragmatic.  What do you really do with your time and energy, despite
the vastly worthy molecules that are part and parcel of the cosmos?

How do you really manage your energy, Carlos?  Assume a person has
10 units of energy to use in mundane living.  Or, we could say a
person has 10 beans to trade for other resources.  That person
spends all 10 units of energy or 10 beans taking care of the Vatican
or the poper at Adyar, how much is left to deal with other elements
of life?

Adyar is as relevant to me as the Vatican is.  Pragmatically, both
are very low priorities when I must decide how to manage my energy
and resources.  I manage resources to accomplish maximum benefit
with available resources.

I am a pragmatist and am honest about it.

Best regards,
Krsanna

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> This is the correct version of a sentence, in my discussion of
> the theosophical organizations'  irelevancy:
>
>
> "And who are ourselves, in our supreme intelligences, to declare
that  such
> an organization is irrelevant, and that other, whose ideas we do
approve, is
> not?"
>
> Sorry!  Carlos.
>
>
> >From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Adyar's irrelevancy and our relevancy
> >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:34:16 -0400
> >
> >
> >oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> >
> >ON ADYAR'S IRRELEVANCY -- AND
> >
> >OUR OWN EXTREME IMPORTANCE.
> >
> >oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> >
> >
> >Friends,
> >
> >
> >OK. Adyar is irrelevant.
> >
> >What about Pasadena TS, ULT, Edmonton Theosophical Society, and
Tacoma TS?
> >All irrelevants, too ?
> >
> >Is everything irrelevant -- except us and our marvellous
computers?
> >
> >And who are ourselves, in our supreme intelligences, to declare
that  such
> >an organization is irrelevant, and that other, whose ideas we do
approve,
> >is
> >not?
> >
> >For instance, the Vatican is irrelevant, because we  do not
approve of the
> >ideas of the Pope.  Or would it be more realistic to say that the
Vatican
> >is
> >relevant, because its mistakes are relevant?  As so are nuclear
weapons and
> >politicians?
> >
> >Now, let's think of reciprocity in the theosophical movement.
> >
> >What about Adyar members declaring Pasadena TS irrelevant?
> >
> >What about each little group and even each individual ("groups are
> >unnecessary") declaring  others "irrelevant"?
> >
> >So the ULT declares Pasadena TS irrelevant,  Pasadena TS declares
other
> >groups irrelevant, and thus we all live the principal of UNIVERSAL
> >BROTHERHOOD... by dclaring each other "irrelevant"?
> >
> >If this is it, I agree: we are all irrelevants -- our
personalities, at
> >least.
> >
> >Yet at the same time  we can see that each leaf of grass (W.
Whitman) has
> >its own purpose in the Universe.
> >
> >Each soul, including, perhaps, those  human monads associated
with Adyar,
> >Pasadena and the  E.T.S., Tacome TS, etc., are relevant, unique
and
> >significant  in a way.
> >
> >Except our lower selves, who want to consider themselves extremely
> >important, of course.
> >
> >In time,  my wife and I have three dogs in our rural area house.
> >
> >The dogs, whose "chief"  is white and respectable Mrs. Pitchula,
are
> >extremely relevant.
> >
> >Yet each street dog abandoned in Brazilian cities is relevant too.
> >
> >
> >Best regards,  yours  and relevant, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Drpsionic@...
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar's irrelevancy
> > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:35:38 EST
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 3/16/2006 7:35:32 AM Central Standard Time,
> > >timestar@... writes:
> > >
> > >The  internet by itself has done much to make Adyar
irrelevant.  I'm
> > >more  interested in the terms of the Young Theosophists that I
am in
> > >trying to  rescue the elder generation.  The older generation
will
> > >disappear and  return to seek truth in new cultural terms.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Well, as a rapidly aging theosophist, I agree.  When folks my
age  joined
> > >in
> > >the mid to late 70s we were the young'ns and we brought our
particular
> > >strangeness with us.  Now we are the old folks and the world is
much
> > >different.
> > >When I joined the TS in 1978, there were only a few channels
on
> >broadcast
> > >television, VCRs were just invented, cell phones did not
exist,
> >computers
> > >were
> > >either huge, slow and clunky or overgrown pocket calculators
with  a few
> > >graphics
> > >thrown in.
> > >
> > >There was no internet as we know it, nothing digital.
Communication  was
> > >slow and required paper and postage or the telephone.
> > >
> > >A portable video camera kit weighed 80 pounds and shot in black
and
> >white.
> > >
> > >The world is much changed and the way people view their world
has changed
> > >with it.  Like everyone before us was and everyone after us
will be, we
> >are
> > >products of our time and we see things through the lens of that
time.  In
> > >the
> > >rapidly becoming old days, groups and organizations were
necessary
> >because
> > >the
> > >means of communication made them necessary.  That may no longer
be the
> > >case.
> > >
> > >Chuck the Heretic
> > >
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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