Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00844)

Carlos -- Every molecule is relevant to the entire cosmos in the 
sense you describe.  Of you pick up a rock and throw it, you have 
changed the face of the planet.  How much time have you spent 
dealing with the dogs of the world in the last year?  How much money 
have you spent taking stray dogs have to the veterinarian.   

Let's move away from self-righteous positions for a moment and get 
pragmatic.  What do you really do with your time and energy, despite 
the vastly worthy molecules that are part and parcel of the cosmos?  

How do you really manage your energy, Carlos?  Assume a person has 
10 units of energy to use in mundane living.  Or, we could say a 
person has 10 beans to trade for other resources.  That person 
spends all 10 units of energy or 10 beans taking care of the Vatican 
or the poper at Adyar, how much is left to deal with other elements 
of life?

Adyar is as relevant to me as the Vatican is.  Pragmatically, both 
are very low priorities when I must decide how to manage my energy 
and resources.  I manage resources to accomplish maximum benefit 
with available resources.  

I am a pragmatist and am honest about it.  

Best regards,
Krsanna

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Friends,
> 
> This is the correct version of a sentence, in my discussion of
> the theosophical organizations'  irelevancy:
> 
> 
> "And who are ourselves, in our supreme intelligences, to declare 
that  such
> an organization is irrelevant, and that other, whose ideas we do 
approve, is
> not?"
> 
> Sorry!  Carlos.
> 
> 
> >From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Adyar's irrelevancy and our relevancy
> >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:34:16 -0400
> >
> >
> >oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> >
> >ON ADYAR'S IRRELEVANCY -- AND
> >
> >OUR OWN EXTREME IMPORTANCE.
> >
> >oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> >
> >
> >Friends,
> >
> >
> >OK. Adyar is irrelevant.
> >
> >What about Pasadena TS, ULT, Edmonton Theosophical Society, and 
Tacoma TS?
> >All irrelevants, too ?
> >
> >Is everything irrelevant -- except us and our marvellous 
computers?
> >
> >And who are ourselves, in our supreme intelligences, to declare 
that  such
> >an organization is irrelevant, and that other, whose ideas we do 
approve, 
> >is
> >not?
> >
> >For instance, the Vatican is irrelevant, because we  do not 
approve of the
> >ideas of the Pope.  Or would it be more realistic to say that the 
Vatican 
> >is
> >relevant, because its mistakes are relevant?  As so are nuclear 
weapons and
> >politicians?
> >
> >Now, let's think of reciprocity in the theosophical movement.
> >
> >What about Adyar members declaring Pasadena TS irrelevant?
> >
> >What about each little group and even each individual ("groups are
> >unnecessary") declaring  others "irrelevant"?
> >
> >So the ULT declares Pasadena TS irrelevant,  Pasadena TS declares 
other
> >groups irrelevant, and thus we all live the principal of UNIVERSAL
> >BROTHERHOOD... by dclaring each other "irrelevant"?
> >
> >If this is it, I agree: we are all irrelevants -- our 
personalities, at
> >least.
> >
> >Yet at the same time  we can see that each leaf of grass (W. 
Whitman) has
> >its own purpose in the Universe.
> >
> >Each soul, including, perhaps, those  human monads associated 
with Adyar,
> >Pasadena and the  E.T.S., Tacome TS, etc., are relevant, unique 
and
> >significant  in a way.
> >
> >Except our lower selves, who want to consider themselves extremely
> >important, of course.
> >
> >In time,  my wife and I have three dogs in our rural area house.
> >
> >The dogs, whose "chief"  is white and respectable Mrs. Pitchula, 
are
> >extremely relevant.
> >
> >Yet each street dog abandoned in Brazilian cities is relevant too.
> >
> >
> >Best regards,  yours  and relevant, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Drpsionic@...
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar's irrelevancy
> > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:35:38 EST
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 3/16/2006 7:35:32 AM Central Standard Time,
> > >timestar@... writes:
> > >
> > >The  internet by itself has done much to make Adyar 
irrelevant.  I'm
> > >more  interested in the terms of the Young Theosophists that I 
am in
> > >trying to  rescue the elder generation.  The older generation 
will
> > >disappear and  return to seek truth in new cultural terms.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Well, as a rapidly aging theosophist, I agree.  When folks my 
age  joined
> > >in
> > >the mid to late 70s we were the young'ns and we brought our 
particular
> > >strangeness with us.  Now we are the old folks and the world is 
much
> > >different.
> > >When I joined the TS in 1978, there were only a few channels 
on  
> >broadcast
> > >television, VCRs were just invented, cell phones did not 
exist,  
> >computers
> > >were
> > >either huge, slow and clunky or overgrown pocket calculators 
with  a few
> > >graphics
> > >thrown in.
> > >
> > >There was no internet as we know it, nothing digital.  
Communication  was
> > >slow and required paper and postage or the telephone.
> > >
> > >A portable video camera kit weighed 80 pounds and shot in black 
and  
> >white.
> > >
> > >The world is much changed and the way people view their world 
has changed
> > >with it.  Like everyone before us was and everyone after us 
will be, we 
> >are
> > >products of our time and we see things through the lens of that 
time.  In
> > >the
> > >rapidly becoming old days, groups and organizations were 
necessary 
> >because
> > >the
> > >means of communication made them necessary.  That may no longer 
be the
> > >case.
> > >
> > >Chuck the Heretic
> > >
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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