From: "krsanna" <timestar@timestar.org>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World Re: To Krsanna: On Seeking Truth
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:43:48 -0000
Carlos -- A number of HPB's comments -- and the Bowen Notes --
regarding the brain are consistent with the research on the brain
that's been done only in recent decades. A very different model of
the brain was in place in the 19th century. I wrote about a
fantastic book by UCLA research psychiatrist, Jeffrey Schwartz,
entitled, "The Mind & The Brain" in the last few weeks. Schwartz
has applied Buddhist techniques to research that hadn't even started
until the 1960's and gets good results.
Several things I've learned about optimum use of the body coincide
very well with HPB's knowledge, such as her discussion of the
brain. The "Bowen Notes" mention that "every conscious mental
picture formed means change and destruction of the atoms of the
brain" is a match with recent research. This principle is now used
in rehabilitation for stroke victims.
I do not assume that everything coming from Adyar is false; more
correctly, Adyar is increasing irrelevant. Adyar hitched its wagon
to a paternalistic 19th century mindset that elected to undermine
HPB for the sake of propriety. The world has outgrown Adyar and
what's left of greatest value is HPB's work.
Krsanna
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Krsanna,
>
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> 1) Most of HPB's Esoteric Teachings, that is, her teachings to the
Esoteric
> School, have been published already by Boris de Zirkoff in the
volume XII of
> her "Collected Writings".
>
> Before that, they had been published with some small changes in
the Annie
> Besant's version of the "Secrec Doctrine", by 1897.
>
> (For that, Besant broke her own personal vows of secrecy!!!)
>
> Since then, Adyar ES uses much more CWL's, Annie Besant's and C.
> JInarajadasa's texts then texts by HPB -- its founder!
>
> 2) HPB's oral teachings to the very Inner Group of the Esoteric
School have
> also been published, by "Point Loma Publications", San Dioego, CA,
1985.
> First edition, 1985, better than the second one. (Title: "The
Inner Group
> Teachings".)
>
> 3) We are dealing with human beings. Perhaps the same persons who
seem to
> doubt the authenticity of the Bowen Notes are among the brave
souls who
> preserved HPB's main teachings up to our time. Perhaps they are
right in
> doubting it. If not, we should take into consideration that while
working
> under consistent currents of attack and slander, many people will
develop
> psychological defense-mechanisms. One of such possible defense-
mechanisms
> may be the strong feeling that "everything coming from Adyar is,
in
> principle, FALSE". There are delicate magnetic issue related to
this, too.
> Because "everything coming from Adyar has indeed something of
Adyar's
> magnetism" -- as I believe.
>
> These points are very brief --- I apologize for the telegraphic
style...
>
> But-- may the dialogue go on!
>
> (My main point as to the Bowen Notes is that their content is
consistent
> with HPB's teachings. The same as to the 1900 Letter -- but I only
say that
> because I count on the generosity of those brave and loyal souls
who may
> disagree from my view. I would never "fight" over this. Only --
sincere and
> honest diversity of views enriches the movement... and it
exercises our
> mutual tolerance and modesty. We are all but students in their
search, and
> helping each other with their views!)
>
> Best regards, Carlos.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "krsanna" <timestar@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: WHEN TRUTH IS A LIE
> >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:13:12 -0000
> >
> >It is unfortunate for modern students that HPB did not reveal
> >informatmion given to her Esoteric Section, on whom she relied to
> >guide the TS, to Theosophists at large. Bowen was a member of the
> >Esoteric Section and was with HPB during the last weeks of her
life.
> >
> >How would Theosophists know what HPB was teaching the Esoteric
> >Section, since their literature was not made public? Bowen
> >mentioned HPB's sense of urgency in teaching the Esoteric Section
in
> >her last weeks, and a sense of urgency is conveyed in the
> >letter, "Why I Do Not Return To India."
> >
> >After sending the letter to India to be distributed among
> >Indians, "for some reason," it was not distributed by Olcott and
> >other leaders of the Indian Section. This is certainly a measure
of
> >the opposition in India to Theosophy as HPB taught it. Bowen, as
a
> >member of the Esoteric Section with Blavatsky in the last weeks of
> >her life, was in a better position to know what she taught the
> >Esoteric Section that was not available to other Theosophists.
> >
> >Carlos, who are these people that are willing to accept as fact
the
> >whispers of a cabal who opposed HPB and deny the testimony of
> >trusted students who stayed with her in the Esoteric Section until
> >the end? What was the motive of those in India that failed to
> >distribute her letter to Theosophists in India?
> >
> >The "take-over" of Blavatsky's Theosophical Society in India was
all
> >but complete one year before her death. The persons present
> >throughout the dismissal of Blavatsky's importance to Theosophy
were
> >Olcott and Besant.
> >
> >Olcott is the overlooked figure that was continuously involved in
> >efforts to undermine HPB's authority, working as he did as a jolly
> >good fellow to keep the opposition against HPB off his own back.
> >Olcott worked to protect his own rear. The success of his
> >socialable betrayal is seen today in the organizations he left
> >behind, which includes the American Section created after HPB's
> >death.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Krsanna
> >
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Krsanna,
> > >
> > > I also have a general, unfortunately vague recollection that
there
> >are
> > > dedicated HPB students who doubt not only the authenticity of
the
> >Bowen
> > > Notes, but also the authenticity of her Diagram of Meditation.
> > >
> > > Yet this is not a big deal. Examining both texts we will see
both
> >are
> > > consistent with H.P.B.'s writings.
> > >
> > > The Bowen Notes but stress and underline some basic points she
had
> >made in
> > > several places, the Three Fundamental Propositions above all.
> > >
> > > I would say the same as to the 1900 Letter, which is rather
> >similar to the
> > > so-called and fundamental "Letter from the Maha-Chohan" (in
fact
> >it is but
> > > a report on the Maha-Chohan's view of the TS).
> > >
> > > And the 1900 Letter also anticipates all the mistakes A. Besant
> >would do in
> > > the following 33 years: that why its main sentences were kept
> >hidden and
> > > censored by A. Besant, C. Jinarajadasa and their successors.
> > >
> > > I guess the tendency to reject there three documents may be
> >associated to a
> > > feeling that "everything which comes from Adyar is, in
principle,
> >false".
> > > There are strong reasons for such a feeling, of course, but
> >whenever
> > > possible things should be examined case-by-case and CONTENTS of
> >documents
> > > should be evaluated to see if they are consistent or not with
the
> > > HPB/Masters teaching.
> > >
> > > I am not saying that the origin these documents is
authentic; I
> >am saying
> > > that their content is consistent with their being possibly
> >authentic. And
> > > the content, and the usefulness of things, is often more
> >important than
> > > their outward form or origin.
> > >
> > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: WHEN TRUTH IS A LIE
> > > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:16:20 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Bart -- I'm surprised that you would settle for casting doubt
but
> > > >not proving. Let me know when you find something definitive.
> > > >
> > > >Best regards,
> > > >Krsanna
> > > >
> > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah! I found what I was looking for. It was more
casting
> > > >doubt than
> > > > > proving false, but here's an indirect ref:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.theos-
talk.com/archives/200306/tt00137.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bart Lidofsky wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You are right; I was hoping that somebody here might
> >know
> > > >more about
> > > > > > it. I will find out for sure tomorrow, however.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > krsanna wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Bart -- Can you provide an authority for that
citation. "I
> > > >heard...
> > > > > >>[somewhere, sometimes]" doesn't do you justice. I'm
sure you
> > > >can
> > > > > >>come up with something better than that.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Best regards,
> > > > > >>Krsanna
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@>
> >wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>krsanna wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>Cass -- I posted the "Bowen Notes" taken from meetings
with
> > > >HPB
> > > > > >>>>shortly before her death. Best regards, Krsanna
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I thought I heard something about the Bowen Notes
> >being
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>fraudulent; I
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>will have to check up on this.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Bart
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