Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00779)

I don't know about that Carlos, Darwin's ideas are still being defended!
Cass

carlosaveline cardoso aveline <carlosaveline@hotmail.com> wrote: 

Dear Jerry, Dear Vladimir,

Really interesting, thanks.
Vladimir is probably right, see below.

Besides, real scholars do not run away from clarifying their viewpoints.
They usually look forward to opportunities to clarify them.
Yet Johnson purports to get offended and avoids all clear debate.

That's because his libels against HPB do not resist examination.

There are many authors nowadays seeking notoriety by "revealing"
wild theories about important historical characters, from Jesus to
Leonardo Da Vinci and Helena Blavatsky.

You get some famous people and then your start with a misture of
speculation and fiction. The formula is well-known. Some of these
authors use some kind of academic approach, others are more openly
fictional.

But an author who does not clarify nor defend his ideas cannot last
in the market, be it theosophical or not.


Best regards, Carlos.



>From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins 
>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Paul Johnson about HPB: "I can show her lying"
>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:51:16 -0800
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>Dear Vladimir,
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> >This   is  a  rather  enviable  flexibility  of  mind.  With  such  an
> >interpretation  virtually  everyone,  and  definitely every Master and
> >every  teacher  of  any  sophisticated subject, becomes a liar. Not to
> >mention  Paul  himself
> >
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>It is not the flexibility of mind but the flexibility of the English
>language and the complexities of moral choice.  There are many different
>actions which fall under this term.   "Lie" may be a pejorative, but all
>possible actions that the term encompasses may not be negative.   For
>instance, you may recall a famous French novel called Les Miserables.
>There is a seen where the main character, Jean Valjean,  an escaped
>convict, robs a Bishop of his silver candlesticks.  The police catch
>him, but the Bishop lies and says that he gave the candlesticks to
>Valjean.  This act, though a lie, saved Valjean's soul--so to speak.
>In Kantian philosophy, the correct act is the one which is performed for
>the greatest good.  Sometimes the greatest good may be served by a lie.
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> >he still conceals contents of his own books
> >despite numerous pleadings to reveal them here...
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>How can Paul conceal anything?  His books are published and can be
>purchased by anyone.  It is the responsibility of the readers to do
>their own reading if they want the contents revealed.
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> >I  am  still waiting for a proof of existence of this backing up here.
> >
>To the best of my recollection, this is in TMR.
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>Best,
>Jerry
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>Best
>Jerry
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>Vladimir wrote:
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> >Monday, March 13, 2006, 11:10:47 PM, Jerry wrote:
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> >>As I read it, Paul is basically saying that by concealing the truth, HPB
> >>is, in one interpretation of the word, "lying."  Even as HPB warns
> >>above: "ask no questions and you will receive no lies."
> >>
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> >This   is  a  rather  enviable  flexibility  of  mind.  With  such  an
> >interpretation  virtually  everyone,  and  definitely every Master and
> >every  teacher  of  any  sophisticated subject, becomes a liar. Not to
> >mention  Paul  himself  -- he still conceals contents of his own books
> >despite numerous pleadings to reveal them here...
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> >>So when (as Paul documents elsewhere) HPB gives four contradictory
> >>accounts of Morya, one can say she is concealing the truth, purposely
> >>misleading the inquirer away from the truth of the matter, giving
> >>disinformation, or you can say that she is lying.  Phrase it anyway you
> >>like, but Paul is backing up his point by quoting HPB herself.
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> >I  am  still waiting for a proof of existence of this backing up here.
> >So  far  I've  seen only a faint glimpse of a mess of derivatives from
> >fiction  and  non-fiction penned by HPB, which Paul oozed into some of
> >his posts.
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