Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00724)

Steve -- I've declined to provide details pertinent to litigation of 
the Tacoma case and have provided only peripheral information.  
Serious consideration of TSA's complaint must assume that TSA know 
how to gather information and analyze it.  One might assume that the 
charges TSA filed have basis in fact. 

This is a big assumption in the case of TSA executives, and may be 
an expensive excursion into the truth of their own mindset.  When 
John Scott and I talked at the time the suit was filed, I offered my 
opinion that the TSA's methods would be consistent with those that 
Olcott used in administering the American Section.  Olcott set up 
precedents that have influenced the organization's administration 
since its founding.  

Study the precedents Olcott set for a view of what can be expected.  
As importantly, the TSA inherited Olcott's organizational karma and 
continues to be glued to it.  Several errors the TSA made are 
nothing short of audacious.    

Do these people think they are protected like the Teflon Don?  

HPB called Olcott a psychologized baby, and she hit the nail on the 
head.  Olcott receives very little attention on the battles about 
HPB and Besant.  Yet Olcott was the one person who served as a pivot 
between HPB and Besant.  

Olcott was a psychologized baby, with all that implies.  Read "Old 
Diary Leaves" with an eye for Olcott's Mother/Woman issues.  He 
belittled and bickered with HPB like a self-centered child yet 
needed her like a baby needs a mama.  When HPB died, Olcott talked 
about how much he missed her.  He introduced Besant as the woman who 
would stand next to him as HPB had.  HPB handled Olcott like a 
psychologized baby.

Besant played into Olcott's role and even declared herself "World 
Mother."  The Olcott-Besant organization was birthed in this 
psychology.  It is saturated with psychologized piety.  

I don't believe 19th culture was capable of calling Olcott on his 
kicking and biting to get his nursing time.  The psychology of the 
culture has started to change in many respects.    

I believe this psychological model will play out as the lawsuit 
proceeds.  

Best regards,
Krsanna

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Steven Levey <sallev1@...> wrote:
>
> Krsanna-Thanks for the reporting and for confirming my worst fears.
>    
>   Steve
> 
> krsanna <timestar@...> wrote:
>   TSA executives certainly know that they need property and 
resources 
> to function and expand their operation. Further, it is possible 
> that the organization is experiencing some difficult times.
> 
> Financial gain, in my opinion, is NOT TSA's primary motivation. 
> They don't intend to let the building, the library and the 
archives 
> get away, if they can help it. I don't think they initiated 
> litigation for the purpose.
> 
> I believe TSA executives honestly believe they need to keep a rein 
> on theosophical organizations in order to make theosophy -- as 
they 
> understand it -- succeed. As a parallel, Anand sincerely believes 
> that Adyar is the master's elect center. I suspect TSA Wheaton 
> executives profoundly believe their organization is essential to 
the 
> success of theosophy.
> 
> TSA must gain control of membership and property in order to 
succeed 
> at their mission. This end justifies the means. They know their 
> financial position has become precarious since the Shirley MacLain 
> phenomenon changed the market that had sustained their publishing 
> house for decades. 
> 
> TSA filed the lawsuit for what they construe as the best interests 
> of theosophy, which translates as the best interest of TSA. These 
> are "good" people who wouldn't admit to harming a fly, and they 
> believe their own story. 
> 
> I suspect they decided something had to be done about John Scott, 
> because John Scott wouldn't play pussy with them. Their only hope 
> of gaining control of the Tacoma Lodge was a lawsuit.
> 
> Betty Bland shamelessly told members of the Tacoma Lodge they had 
to 
> elect new members when visiting on 10/22/05. Electioneering of 
that 
> type is forbidden by TSA rules. When, at the same meeting, John 
> told her about recent decisions the Lodge had made, Betty said his 
> account was news to her. John said that he had sent a letter 
> informing her of everything he had mentioned. Betty responded with 
> something like, "Oh, that letter. I threw it away. It was too 
> emotional." The letter was a legal announcement. Betty threw it 
> away? Throwing the letter away then announcing it at a public 
> meeting that it was too emotional is outrageous, when the pending 
> lawsuit that Betty knew would be filed 9 days later. Betty also 
> told John in the course of the meeting that "she would just have 
to 
> call in her legal team." 
> 
> Betty may not have considered a court might take her action of 
> throwing the letter away far more seriously than she did. Only 
> smug self-righteousness accounts for Betty's behaviour. I believe 
> this is what is behind TSA's lawsuit, more than the financial gain 
> to be acquired for TSA members. 
> 
> Krsanna
> 
> Krsanna
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Steven Levey wrote:
> >
> > Carlos, 
> > If this is a need to get hold of the property issue, then 
> they have sunk off of the ethical map. Truley, I hope not. Either 
> way, they will have removed independence rather than assisting in 
> its growth.
> > 
> > Steve 
> > 
> > carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> > 
> > Steve,
> > 
> > No doubt, you are right.
> > 
> > But I read in "The Aquarian Theosophist" some time ago that the 
> reason might 
> > be also related to some economical difficulties Wheaton would be 
> facing -- 
> > and hence the attempt to get control of the physical property of 
> the 
> > building belonging to the Tacoma TS.
> > 
> > In that case it would not be just a political issue, but also a 
> material 
> > one. Perhaps it is not easy to get information enough to see 
this, 
> but if 
> > anyone can help with that, it would be interesting to know.
> > 
> > Thanks, Carlos.
> > 
> > >From: Steven Levey 
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Wheaton X Tacoma TS: Motives?
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:33:55 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >Carlos
> > >
> > > My feeling that the TSA's motive is obvious has to do with the 
> > >very fact of their being a court case. To me this means that 
> their general 
> > >motive has nothing to do with assisting the Tacoma Lodge "to 
> become better 
> > >able to help and teach others". It is to rein them in from 
their 
> > >independence, as you mentioned, and bring them in-line with how 
> the TSA 
> > >wants their Lodges to behave, regarding procedure. To me there 
is 
> nothing 
> > >else to be seen regarding their motive, regardless of how they 
> put it.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Dear Steve, Dear Krsanna,
> > >
> > >I haven't come to a clear conclusion, so far, as to Wheaton's 
> (Betty
> > >Bland's) motivation with regard to attacking the independence 
of 
> the Tacoma
> > >TS.
> > >
> > >If you can give us a view about that, I will thank you.
> > >Is it the money of the building? Is it political power? Is it 
the 
> need to
> > >fight the dangerous example given by an independent lodge?
> > >
> > >Best regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Steven Levey
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Get the facts, Bart -Tacoma Lodge 
> Resists
> > > >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:03:17 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >BArt-If you know what motivates the Tacoma Lodge's actions, 
> then you know
> > > >all you need to know. What motivates the TSA is more than 
> obvious.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > >
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