Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00697)

Krsanna-Thanks for the reporting and for confirming my worst fears.
   
  Steve

krsanna <timestar@timestar.org> wrote:
  TSA executives certainly know that they need property and resources 
to function and expand their operation. Further, it is possible 
that the organization is experiencing some difficult times.

Financial gain, in my opinion, is NOT TSA's primary motivation. 
They don't intend to let the building, the library and the archives 
get away, if they can help it. I don't think they initiated 
litigation for the purpose.

I believe TSA executives honestly believe they need to keep a rein 
on theosophical organizations in order to make theosophy -- as they 
understand it -- succeed. As a parallel, Anand sincerely believes 
that Adyar is the master's elect center. I suspect TSA Wheaton 
executives profoundly believe their organization is essential to the 
success of theosophy.

TSA must gain control of membership and property in order to succeed 
at their mission. This end justifies the means. They know their 
financial position has become precarious since the Shirley MacLain 
phenomenon changed the market that had sustained their publishing 
house for decades. 

TSA filed the lawsuit for what they construe as the best interests 
of theosophy, which translates as the best interest of TSA. These 
are "good" people who wouldn't admit to harming a fly, and they 
believe their own story. 

I suspect they decided something had to be done about John Scott, 
because John Scott wouldn't play pussy with them. Their only hope 
of gaining control of the Tacoma Lodge was a lawsuit.

Betty Bland shamelessly told members of the Tacoma Lodge they had to 
elect new members when visiting on 10/22/05. Electioneering of that 
type is forbidden by TSA rules. When, at the same meeting, John 
told her about recent decisions the Lodge had made, Betty said his 
account was news to her. John said that he had sent a letter 
informing her of everything he had mentioned. Betty responded with 
something like, "Oh, that letter. I threw it away. It was too 
emotional." The letter was a legal announcement. Betty threw it 
away? Throwing the letter away then announcing it at a public 
meeting that it was too emotional is outrageous, when the pending 
lawsuit that Betty knew would be filed 9 days later. Betty also 
told John in the course of the meeting that "she would just have to 
call in her legal team." 

Betty may not have considered a court might take her action of 
throwing the letter away far more seriously than she did. Only 
smug self-righteousness accounts for Betty's behaviour. I believe 
this is what is behind TSA's lawsuit, more than the financial gain 
to be acquired for TSA members. 

Krsanna

Krsanna









--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Steven Levey wrote:
>
> Carlos, 
> If this is a need to get hold of the property issue, then 
they have sunk off of the ethical map. Truley, I hope not. Either 
way, they will have removed independence rather than assisting in 
its growth.
> 
> Steve 
> 
> carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> No doubt, you are right.
> 
> But I read in "The Aquarian Theosophist" some time ago that the 
reason might 
> be also related to some economical difficulties Wheaton would be 
facing -- 
> and hence the attempt to get control of the physical property of 
the 
> building belonging to the Tacoma TS.
> 
> In that case it would not be just a political issue, but also a 
material 
> one. Perhaps it is not easy to get information enough to see this, 
but if 
> anyone can help with that, it would be interesting to know.
> 
> Thanks, Carlos.
> 
> >From: Steven Levey 
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Wheaton X Tacoma TS: Motives?
> >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:33:55 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Carlos
> >
> > My feeling that the TSA's motive is obvious has to do with the 
> >very fact of their being a court case. To me this means that 
their general 
> >motive has nothing to do with assisting the Tacoma Lodge "to 
become better 
> >able to help and teach others". It is to rein them in from their 
> >independence, as you mentioned, and bring them in-line with how 
the TSA 
> >wants their Lodges to behave, regarding procedure. To me there is 
nothing 
> >else to be seen regarding their motive, regardless of how they 
put it.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> >
> >
> >Dear Steve, Dear Krsanna,
> >
> >I haven't come to a clear conclusion, so far, as to Wheaton's 
(Betty
> >Bland's) motivation with regard to attacking the independence of 
the Tacoma
> >TS.
> >
> >If you can give us a view about that, I will thank you.
> >Is it the money of the building? Is it political power? Is it the 
need to
> >fight the dangerous example given by an independent lodge?
> >
> >Best regards, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Steven Levey
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Get the facts, Bart -Tacoma Lodge 
Resists
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:03:17 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >BArt-If you know what motivates the Tacoma Lodge's actions, 
then you know
> > >all you need to know. What motivates the TSA is more than 
obvious.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> >
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