Jerry: Wasn't a shrine built for the Mahatmas
Mar 10, 2006 07:10 PM
by krsanna
Jerry -- Are you familiar with an instance in which a local prince
or dignitary of some kind built a shrine for the Mahatmas after his
wife conceived a child? I have a vague memory of something like
this.
The wife of a minor dignitary became pregnant after her husband
became a theosophist. The husband was so pleased with the pregnancy
that he built a shrine of some kind?
The Mahatmas were not happy with the idea of a shrine in their honor.
Am I confusing accounts? Did such an event occur?
Krsanna
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Anand,
>
> >That is true. All organization have some corrupt people. But it
is
> >the degree that matters. Adyar TS also has it, but less.
> >
> Since you have not personally worked with the leaders and members
of any
> Theosophical Organizations except Adyar, you have no first hand
> experience from which to make such an evaluation. Why do you
speak of
> such things that you yourself do not know?
>
> >My judgement is Pasadena TS or any other organization, except
Adyar
> >TS, was never considered as Theosophical Society by the Masters.
> >
> >
> >
> Have you studied the ES teaching of other Theosophical
organizations? Do
> you know individuals who have been trained in the ES of other
> organizations?
>
> >Masters considered Adyar TS as only TS founded by Them.
> >
> Did a Master tell you this?
>
> >So other organizations will come and get vanished.
> >
> As so the Adyar TS is also vanishing.
>
> >ES was closed by Pasadena
> >TS because it was never Masters' organization.
> >
> Did a Master tell you this?
>
> >Adyar TS continued because it has Masters' blessing.
> >
> Or the Master fled in disgust to leave it to die with the rest of
the
> Theosophical Organizations. Who are you to say which is the
correct
> interpretation?
>
> >Adyar TS is also not in best
> >condition and I would expect it to improve in some areas.
> >
> Fellowship among their own members and altruism to all might be
two
> areas they could work on.
>
> >But it will continue as Masters have blessed it and will continue
to work
> >through it.
> >
> Do you know this from the Masters?
>
> Best,
> Jerry
>
>
>
> Anand Gholap wrote:
>
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Dear Anand,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>What is your conclusion after studying this subject.
> >>>
> >>My conclusion is that mistakes were made on both sides and a lot
of pain could have been avoided. My other conclusion is that
whenever there is money, property and influence, there are always
individuals trying to keep control of it and others trying to get
control of it. This seems to be universal--no organization is
immune to this dynamic.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >That is true. All organization have some corrupt people. But it
is
> >the degree that matters. Adyar TS also has it, but less.
> >
> >
> >>>If you have digital copies, send me or copy those things here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I'm afraid that Theosophical History is a copyrighted scholarly
> >>journal. My position as an associate editor does not give me the
> >>liberty to copy and post articles from it on the Internet. I am
sure
> >>
> >>
> >>that the Adyar Library receives a subscription to it, and you
will be
> >>
> >>
> >>able to go through the articles there. If not, I will try to
dig
> >>through the back issues and find the articles and make a copy
for you.
> >>
> >>
> >>But I will have to work it in between other projects.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >There is no need of that. I will get it in future, it is not
urgent.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Well, a lot of things can be made of Long's actions. But you
must keep
> >>
> >>
> >>in mind just what power the ES represented. What I am saying is
that
> >>
> >>
> >>certain individuals (a very small number), who were also in the
ES, were
> >>
> >>
> >>responsible for recognizing and affirming the successor.
Purucker had
> >>
> >>
> >>given them the necessary training and knowledge so that they
would be
> >>
> >>
> >>able to recognize his successor. These individuals did not
recognize
> >>
> >>
> >>Conger, Hartley or Long, because none of them gave the required
signal.
> >>
> >>
> >>So, one could argue that the elimination of the ES was also the
> >>elimination of those who opposed these leaders. In the long
run, the
> >>
> >>
> >>consensus has been that the elimination of the ES was a good
thing.
> >>
> >>
> >>Emmett Small (who was the ES Secretary and opposed Conger etc.)
remarked
> >>
> >>
> >>to me on many occasions that eliminating the ES was a wise move
and
> >>
> >>
> >>ought to be eliminated in all Theosophical Organizations. So,
in this
> >>
> >>
> >>case, individuals on both sides who were in management
ultimately agreed
> >>
> >>
> >>on this point.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >My judgement is Pasadena TS or any other organization, except
Adyar
> >TS, was never considered as Theosophical Society by the Masters.
> >Masters considered Adyar TS as only TS founded by Them. So other
> >organizations will come and get vanished. ES was closed by
Pasadena
> >TS because it was never Masters' organization. Adyar TS continued
> >because it has Masters' blessing. Adyar TS is also not in best
> >condition and I would expect it to improve in some areas. But it
> >will continue as Masters have blessed it and will continue to
work
> >through it.
> >AG
> >
> >
> >
> >>Anand Gholap wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dear Jerry,
> >>>Regarding the Purucker-Conger-Hartley-Long
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>situation, I have in my archives thousands of unpublished
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >documents including letters, minutes of meetings, diary entries
etc.
> >concerning this sequence of events. I have also, over the years,
> >personally
> >
> >
> >>>>interviewed many of the people involved concerning it,
including
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >Emmett Small, Kirby van Mater, and Judith Tyberg.
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>What is your conclusion after studying this subject.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If you ever come to the
> >>>>United States, you are welcome to visit us, examine the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >documents,and come to your own conclusions.
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I would like to visit and see the documents and other good work
> >>>
> >>>
> >you
> >
> >
> >>>are doing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>In the mean time, there is in the back issues of Theosophical
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >History an article on Conger by Alan Donant and a reply by
Kenneth
> >Small which addresses many of the issues and should give you a
feel
> >for the opposing views on this issue.
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>If you have digital copies, send me or copy those things here.
> >>>
> >>>One would have to appreciate courage of James Long. It was not
> >>>
> >>>
> >easy
> >
> >
> >>>to boldly tell people that ES did not exist of which he was
> >>>
> >>>
> >head.
> >
> >
> >>>It must have been against popular ideas. Especially people in
> >>>management generally like to keep holding to power and they
could
> >>>have opposed James Long when he removed that power.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>AG
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Anand Gholap wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Dear Jerry,
> >>>>>Thanks for info. You said you found honest students in all
> >>>>>organization. That is true but point I wrote is different.
> >>>>>You wrote implying members belong to, are and should be loyal
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >to
> >
> >
> >>>>>their organization. Fact is there is no one organization to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >which
> >
> >
> >>>>>serious students belong. Their goal should be to find the
truth
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>from
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>all sources and organizations. Loyalty should be to truth and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >it
> >
> >
> >>>>>should not be blind supporting of organizations of which a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >person
> >
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>is
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>member.
> >>>>>My question is still not answered. So it is being written
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >again.
> >
> >
> >>>>>Let us analyse facts given in message 30270.
> >>>>>Purucker wrote in ES circular
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>if within three months after
> >>>>>>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>proper
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>proofs of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >failed".
> >
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>No such leader or Outer Head of ES emerged, which meant
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >Pasadena
> >
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>TS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>failed, there was no ES after Purucker's death and so there
was
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >no
> >
> >
> >>>>>Outer Head of ES in Pasadena TS. Despite these specific
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>directions,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>in 1945, Conger claimed to be the Outer Head of the Esoteric
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>School
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>which had ceased to exist. He appointed William Hartley as
> >>>>>successor, cabinet rejected him and appointed James Long as
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >leader
> >
> >
> >>>>>in 1951. James Long closed ES and told that Purucker had
already
> >>>>>stopped ES instructions in 1939. Does that mean Pasadena TS
told
> >>>>>lies during 1939 to 1951 under the name of Esoteric
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >Instructions ?
> >
> >
> >>>>>AG
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@>
> >>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Dear Anand, Friends,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Let's put it this way: in 1895, those who felt lied to,
sided
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>with
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>either Besant or Judge, depending upon who they believed was
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>telling the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>truth. Accordingly, those who felt lied in in 1945-46,
sided
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>with
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>either Conger, or with the dissenting Board members,
depending
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>upon who
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>they believed was telling the truth. In 1951, those who
felt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>lied
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>sided with either Long or with Hartley, depending
upon...well,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>know....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>By 1931 there were dozens of "Theosophical" organizations
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>populated by
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Theosophists who believed that they have been lied to. Who
is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>going to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>cut through the Gordian knot and tell us who are the liars
and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>who
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>are
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>the truth tellers?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I have met the leaders of all these factions and others
too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>They
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>all
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>strike me as sincere and dedicated people trying to
promulgate
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Theosophy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>to the best of their ability. Isn't that good enough?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Perhaps the Theosophical Movement is better off with its
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>multitude
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>expressions coming from many organizations. Now, students
of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Theosophy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>have different schools to compare. They can choose the one
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >(on
> >
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>ones)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>which best meet their temperament.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I submit that the most constructive thing a member of a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Theosophical
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>organization can do is to keep an eye on their own
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >organization
> >
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>and make
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>sure that those in charge are being honest. Let the members
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>other
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>organizations keep watch on their own leaders.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Best
> >>>>>>Jerry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Anand Gholap wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Let us analyse facts given in message 30270.
> >>>>>>>Purucker wrote in ES circular
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>if within three months after
> >>>>>>>>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could
give "the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>proper
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>proofs of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>failed".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>No such leader or Outer Head of ES emerged, which meant
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>Pasadena
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>TS
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>failed, there was no ES after Purucker's death and so there
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >was
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>no
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Outer Head of ES in Pasadena TS. Despite these specific
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>directions,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>in 1945, Conger claimed to be the Outer Head of the
Esoteric
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>School
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>which had ceased to exist. He appointed William Hartley as
> >>>>>>>successor, cabinate rejected him and appointed James Long
as
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>leader
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>in 1951. James Long closed ES and told that Purucker had
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>already
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>stopped ES instructions in 1939. Does that mean Pasadena TS
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>told
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>lies during 1939 to 1951 under the name of Esoteric
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>Instructions ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>AG
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, gregory@ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>In response to Damian's request for information on the Pt
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Loma/Pasadena ES I am
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>sending a summary of a section from a paper I gave at a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thosophical history
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>conference in California many years ago. It comes from a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >study
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>secret
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>societies and esoteric groups within the Theosophical
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>movement.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>hope to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>complete the work for publication one day.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Dr Gregory Tillett
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>De Purucker died suddenly and unexpectedly on September
27,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>1942.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>He had left
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>specific instructions regarding his successor: the
successor
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>was
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>to "emerge"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>within three years after de Purucker's death, and would be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>recognized by "the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>proper proofs of spiritual leadership". During those
three
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>years,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>the Society
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>was to be ruled by a Cabinet. If no Head emerged, then
the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Cabinet was to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>elect a leader.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>No successor emerged, and the Cabinet elected Colonel
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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