Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00399)

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In my opinion was the  reason why R Steiner get away from TS, because 
he did not agree with A.Besant and CW Leadbeater to make of 
Krishnamurti a Christ.And so do I. That has been big mistake of TS.
The affair I did not know, but what I know, that an Avatar or Adept 
never die on cancer or other illness, while Krishnamurti did.
Christina
















-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Dear Cass,
> 
> 
> I was a "Krishnamurtian" for years, I must admit.
> 
> Untill I found his personal worship as "Christ" was too much  and I 
decided 
> to investigate his personal emotional complications, his confuse 
love affair 
> with Rosalind Rajagopal, etc.
> 
> Krishnamurti does not work with most basic  concepts  like karma 
and  
> reincarnation.  He despises the manasic principle, where 
Antahkarana exists.
> 
> His books may help with some meditative introspection.  But there 
is a price 
> in that in the narrowing of the mind.
> 
> On the other hand, Ramana is far deeper in introspection than 
Krishnamurti 
> and has a healthy philosophy, besides having led an uncomplicated, 
pure  
> personal life from birth to death.
> 
> Krishnamurti lived all kinds of 
psychological/ermotional/family/lawsuit 
> conflicts,  while we Adyar theosophists around the world could 
swear he was 
> a  Brahmachary!
> 
> His close friends, Ms. Radha Burnier included, kept silence.
> 
> It all went public only after his death.  When I talked to Ms. 
Radha 
> personally about that, in  August 1995, she confirmed all of 
Krishnamurti's 
> complications, yet she blamed... the husband!
> 
> That is, according to Krishnamurtians, the fault and the 
responsibility for 
> those very personal and mundane emotional  conflicts was Mr. 
Rajagopal, and 
> not his wife Rosalind, nor Mr. Krishnamurti.
> 
> Kind of funny.
> 
> And that comes from "Christ".
> 
> Best regards,  Carlos.
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti & The Universe
> >Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:51:26 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Hello Carlos
> >I have been on a number of Krishnamurtian groups in the past, and 
most 
> >believe as you said, that the "I" is the cause of all suffering.  
I can see 
> >how this can lead to mental imbalances.
> >However, I didn't get that from Krishnamurti, the message I came 
away with 
> >was that the "I" had to be understood, unpacked if you liked, 
reflected on, 
> >without judgement and eventually brought to a state of submission 
or quiet 
> >by the higher self.  He advocated this in a "revolutionary 
instantaneous 
> >event," whereas I found I needed many years to go through the 
accumulations 
> >that my ego had stored and why those accumulations from the past, 
were 
> >continuing to impact on my life.  That, along with Gurdgieff's 
teachings 
> >helped me to understand what the "I" was all about, and how for 
the most 
> >part it runs us on auto pilot as many are asleep to its control 
and need to 
> >be "in charge".
> >
> >
> >Cass
> >carlosaveline cardoso aveline <carlosaveline@...> wrote:
> >
> >Dear Cass,
> >
> >Yet the Advaita system teachs the seven principles/ levels of 
consciousness
> >pretty much as HPB did (not a coincidence), while Krishnamurti 
never
> >understood,  much less taught the seven principles.
> >
> >For instance, Ramana Maharshi taught them in the 20th century.
> >
> >Seven principles are essential,  as by understanding them you have 
the key
> >of the correlation between the micro (a human individual) and the 
macro
> >(solar system and the universe).
> >
> >Krishnamurti was rather shallow with his doctrine according to 
which the 
> >"I"
> >is bad.
> >
> >The importance of the correlation man/universe explains why 
studying the
> >"Secret Doctrine".
> >It is a form of Jnana Yoga.
> >
> >We are a summary of the universe, and the cosmos is an amplified 
picture of
> >each one of us.
> >
> >A mirror of one's soul.
> >
> >
> >Best regards,  Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Cass Silva
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Krishnamurtian Dogma?
> > >Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:16:24 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >I tend to agree with Morten, in that Krishnamurti's latter 
teachings were
> > >the recycling of the Advaita system.  However, I believe, in the 
early 
> >days
> > >he did contribute towards humanity in exposing the emotional 
baggage that
> > >we carry with us, and how important it is to recognize this, 
without
> > >judgement, in order to see ourselves as we are.  I certainly got 
much out
> > >of the First and Last Freedom.
> > >
> > >Cass
> > >
> > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> > >
> > >Dear Cass,
> > >
> > >I know next to nothing about Gurdgieff.
> > >
> > >But a long standing leader of the Adyar Society gave me an image 
to 
> >define
> > >Krishnamurti with few words: he is like the typical Indian 
Swami, who 
> >goes
> > >about hammering one sole point, surrounded by his own 
unconditional
> > >supporters and worshippers. The main role of these followers  is 
to
> > >endlessly repeat the Swami's words,  while they try to hipnotize 
> >themselves
> > >and others with these same unchanging words/ideas.
> > >
> > >
> > >Best regards.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Cass Silva
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurtian Dogma?
> > > >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:27:19 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps rather than creating his own dogma, it was created 
around him.
> > > >Same thing with Gurdgieff???
> > > >Cass
> > > >
> > > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Cass,
> > > >
> > > >Yet he created his own Krishhamurtian dogma.
> > > >Krishnamurtians usually don't read authors other than him.
> > > >They are usually not open to debate -- at least some of them.
> > > >Not all, of course.
> > > >
> > > >Best -- carlos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Cass Silva
> > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: Esoteric School
> > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:42:17 -0800 (PST)
> > > > >
> > > > >It appears that Krishnamurti denied the necessity for a 
dogmatised
> > > >"school
> > > > >of thought" around his system.
> > > > >Cass
> > > > >
> > > > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> > > > >Damian,]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I guess Gregory has given a thorough answer to the question.
> > > > >
> > > > >Comparatively, in the Adyar Society the Esoteric School 
continued, 
> >yet
> > > >the
> > > > >fancies about outer contacts with the Masters were quietly 
dropped 
> >rom
> > > > >1953,
> > > > >except for Geoffrey Hodson in Australia, a  rather national 
> >phenomenon,
> > > >or
> > > > >at
> > > > >least a phenomenon with poor international dimension.
> > > > >
> > > > >J. Krishnamurti, very influential with regard to Radha 
Burnier, 
> >wanted
> > > >the
> > > > >E. S. Adyar to
> > > > >be closed (there is at least one public source for that, 
Mary 
> >Lutyens).
> > > > >Yet
> > > > >he did
> > > > >not have that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Best  regards, Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: D P
> > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Theos-World Pasadena Esoteric School
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:43:57 +0100 (CET)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hi! I am researching a little about Esoterics Schools 
inside of the
> > > > > >Theosophical Movement then this is a question for Carlos 
Aveline or
> > > > >another
> > > > > >member of the list. C. Aveline wrote �if I remind well- 
that
> > >Esoteric
> > > > > >School of Pasadena has ceased its work, do you know why, 
or publics
> > > > > >statements about it?
> > > > > >   Thanks
> > > > > >
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