Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00373)

Dear Cass,


I was a "Krishnamurtian" for years, I must admit.

Untill I found his personal worship as "Christ" was too much  and I decided 
to investigate his personal emotional complications, his confuse love affair 
with Rosalind Rajagopal, etc.

Krishnamurti does not work with most basic  concepts  like karma and  
reincarnation.  He despises the manasic principle, where Antahkarana exists.

His books may help with some meditative introspection.  But there is a price 
in that in the narrowing of the mind.

On the other hand, Ramana is far deeper in introspection than Krishnamurti 
and has a healthy philosophy, besides having led an uncomplicated, pure  
personal life from birth to death.

Krishnamurti lived all kinds of psychological/ermotional/family/lawsuit 
conflicts,  while we Adyar theosophists around the world could swear he was 
a  Brahmachary!

His close friends, Ms. Radha Burnier included, kept silence.

It all went public only after his death.  When I talked to Ms. Radha 
personally about that, in  August 1995, she confirmed all of Krishnamurti's 
complications, yet she blamed... the husband!

That is, according to Krishnamurtians, the fault and the responsibility for 
those very personal and mundane emotional  conflicts was Mr. Rajagopal, and 
not his wife Rosalind, nor Mr. Krishnamurti.

Kind of funny.

And that comes from "Christ".

Best regards,  Carlos.



> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti & The Universe
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:51:26 -0800 (PST)
>
> Hello Carlos
> I have been on a number of Krishnamurtian groups in the past, and most 
> believe as you said, that the "I" is the cause of all suffering.  I can see 
> how this can lead to mental imbalances.
> However, I didn't get that from Krishnamurti, the message I came away with 
> was that the "I" had to be understood, unpacked if you liked, reflected on, 
> without judgement and eventually brought to a state of submission or quiet 
> by the higher self.  He advocated this in a "revolutionary instantaneous 
> event," whereas I found I needed many years to go through the accumulations 
> that my ego had stored and why those accumulations from the past, were 
> continuing to impact on my life.  That, along with Gurdgieff's teachings 
> helped me to understand what the "I" was all about, and how for the most 
> part it runs us on auto pilot as many are asleep to its control and need to 
> be "in charge".
>
>
> Cass
> carlosaveline cardoso aveline <carlosaveline@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Cass,
>
> Yet the Advaita system teachs the seven principles/ levels of consciousness
> pretty much as HPB did (not a coincidence), while Krishnamurti never
> understood,  much less taught the seven principles.
>
> For instance, Ramana Maharshi taught them in the 20th century.
>
> Seven principles are essential,  as by understanding them you have the key
> of the correlation between the micro (a human individual) and the macro
> (solar system and the universe).
>
> Krishnamurti was rather shallow with his doctrine according to which the 
> "I"
> is bad.
>
> The importance of the correlation man/universe explains why studying the
> "Secret Doctrine".
> It is a form of Jnana Yoga.
>
> We are a summary of the universe, and the cosmos is an amplified picture of
> each one of us.
>
> A mirror of one's soul.
>
>
> Best regards,  Carlos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Cass Silva
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Krishnamurtian Dogma?
> >Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:16:24 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >I tend to agree with Morten, in that Krishnamurti's latter teachings were
> >the recycling of the Advaita system.  However, I believe, in the early 
> days
> >he did contribute towards humanity in exposing the emotional baggage that
> >we carry with us, and how important it is to recognize this, without
> >judgement, in order to see ourselves as we are.  I certainly got much out
> >of the First and Last Freedom.
> >
> >Cass
> >
> >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> >
> >Dear Cass,
> >
> >I know next to nothing about Gurdgieff.
> >
> >But a long standing leader of the Adyar Society gave me an image to 
> define
> >Krishnamurti with few words: he is like the typical Indian Swami, who 
> goes
> >about hammering one sole point, surrounded by his own unconditional
> >supporters and worshippers. The main role of these followers  is to
> >endlessly repeat the Swami's words,  while they try to hipnotize 
> themselves
> >and others with these same unchanging words/ideas.
> >
> >
> >Best regards.
> >
> >
> > >From: Cass Silva
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurtian Dogma?
> > >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:27:19 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >Perhaps rather than creating his own dogma, it was created around him.
> > >Same thing with Gurdgieff???
> > >Cass
> > >
> > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> > >
> > >Cass,
> > >
> > >Yet he created his own Krishhamurtian dogma.
> > >Krishnamurtians usually don't read authors other than him.
> > >They are usually not open to debate -- at least some of them.
> > >Not all, of course.
> > >
> > >Best -- carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Cass Silva
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: Esoteric School
> > > >Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:42:17 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >It appears that Krishnamurti denied the necessity for a dogmatised
> > >"school
> > > >of thought" around his system.
> > > >Cass
> > > >
> > > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> > > >Damian,]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I guess Gregory has given a thorough answer to the question.
> > > >
> > > >Comparatively, in the Adyar Society the Esoteric School continued, 
> yet
> > >the
> > > >fancies about outer contacts with the Masters were quietly dropped 
> rom
> > > >1953,
> > > >except for Geoffrey Hodson in Australia, a  rather national 
> phenomenon,
> > >or
> > > >at
> > > >least a phenomenon with poor international dimension.
> > > >
> > > >J. Krishnamurti, very influential with regard to Radha Burnier, 
> wanted
> > >the
> > > >E. S. Adyar to
> > > >be closed (there is at least one public source for that, Mary 
> Lutyens).
> > > >Yet
> > > >he did
> > > >not have that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Best  regards, Carlos.
> > > >
> > > > >From: D P
> > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Theos-World Pasadena Esoteric School
> > > > >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:43:57 +0100 (CET)
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi! I am researching a little about Esoterics Schools inside of the
> > > > >Theosophical Movement then this is a question for Carlos Aveline or
> > > >another
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