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Mar 07, 2006 05:39 AM
by W.Dallas TenBroeck
3/7/2006 4:05 AM Dear Peter, to continue: [ see notes below all references when checked, yield a full panorama of the depths of this philosophy. ] Dallas ======================= -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bernin Subject: On "Interpolarization" by HPB [ see: I U I xxiii-iv, it seems HPB did not use this word] Dear Dallas, PB Many thanks for your reply…yes it is hard when the teacher has left us for 110 years ago…and that no one for shure can say anything…I am of course aware of that too…but sometimes the numbers in a quote gets jumbled up, and if that was the case, perhaps you were aware of that in this case… that’s why I asked you… the text you suggested to me in IU xxiii-xxiv, vol I, deals with the exact issue of magnetism, electricity, gravitation…, and that info is also in the HPBs Glossary under aethrobacy…so far so good…but the word interpolarization is not in that text….I have never heard HPB use that expression before so I started to check it up in Isis, but with no luck…. DTB [ A LATER “EDITOR” PUT IT IN THERE ? BUT WHO? -- [ see: I U I xxiii-iv] ] PB the same article by HPB (“The Yoga Philosophy” MOD PAN p. 388) is different in other ways too, especially when she talks about the Tantra in a more positive way than she mostly did…your idea of someone tampering with the text is another approach of course…but Isis was published 1877 and HPBs Yoga article in 1880-1881…so there was much time to discover the wrong pagenumber from ISIS… DTB [ BUT NO ONE DID SO == SHALL WE CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS AN IMPORTANCE ? THIS IS A TEST OF THE ABILITY OF EACH STUDENT TO RELATE SUCH THINGS TO HIS OWN PERCEPTION OF THE “HEART DOCTRINE” -- WITHOUT BEING FANATICAL OR “AUTHORITATIVE” ABOUT MEANINGS. How does this fit in with the concept of universal law and karma ? All Monads are sensitive and relay the moral as well as other powerful impacts as required to others. The same happens momentarily in, our own physical body all the time -- relaying to heart and brain – and then, from the physical to the astral and the pranic -- and so on to all 7 principles. ] On TANTRA consider what is written below. PB I have not the Theosophist of that year…well, perhaps I have…I will check it out right now….( five minutes later)…to my great surprise I did have an old paperback photographic reprint of 1983 (Eastern School Press, Oregon) and found there in Theosophist, p 145, April 1881 that the article quote / mention the word aethrobacy (not mentioned in “Panarion”), but mentioned by you Dallas…. DTB AETHROBACY: Glos 8, 79, 108, 111, 129, 188. 199, 248, 329, 370, [see LEVITATION: I U Index] ; I U I XXXIII, 115, 219, 493-6; II 619, PATH X 93-5, SOUND AND ELEMENTALS; ( see WQJ Art I pp. 383-5, 415-16, [on GRAVITATION, etc… see: WQJ Art I 390-1, 450-49; II p. 505, 510-11, 516, 605, 615-18, ; MAHATMA LETTERS pp. 61, 159-172, 163-4, [ see S D I 140-2 ]; HPB Art II pp. 132-42, 150-3, 167-70, 175-6, [ see in HPB Art Vol. III INDEX “Sound”, “Vibration.” OCEAN {last 2 chapters); Q & A on OCEAN, p. 218; LUCIFER VI, p. 259-60; THEOSOPHIST, I pp. 84-5; From SD Polarity of cells II 117 death a change in I 526n evil is, of matter & spirit I 416 of Fohat I 145 gravity caused by I 513 monadic principle fr passive to active II 669 opposite forces aspect of I 604 of spirit & matter II 84, 527 [courtesy of the T U PRESS, Pasadena.] PB well the topic is very interesting…wonder what HPB meant by interpolarization after all…perhaps she meant that if there is a attraction (connection) in the sense that like attracts like, and when we change that position of our body in relation to our earth we levitate (calling the possibility of our bodies to change “interpolarization”) ….and if there is some form of “interactive connection” between our will and the body, our bodies being in that way subject to “interpolarization”, implying that it is not fixed…implying we can polerize our body at will ….. well that was just some of my speculations on the issue… ==================================================== W.Dallas TenBroeck 3/4/2006 Re: MODERN PANARION editorial changes in the 1895 text from the “original articles (1874-1891).” Did HPB sanction them ? What is the correct version ? Dear Peter: 1 Ask the inquirer for an exact page and location reference; see if it is: I U I xxiii-xxiv . 2 Also consider the notes made below. 3 It is a dilemma we cannot solve here and now, 110 years later. 4 If you ask me what we ought to do at this time, 110 years later, I would suggest: -- We need only note it (all such changes) for the benefit of current scholarship ( EYE DOCTRINE ) but we have to leave the interpretation thereof (HEART DOCTRINE) to those sincere, honest and ILLUMINED HEARTS {Manas –taijasi:-- “Key,” pp. 135-6, 159-60; T Glos p. 317, 203, ) of today. How else can we honestly answer queries on such changes ? These are all speculations. I would look for the HEART DOCTRINE if possible. Dallas ====================================== -----Original Message----- Peter Bernin Subject: "Interpolarization" mentioned in The Yoga Philosophy Hello Dallas, I have a short question…in an article I just translated by HPB called The Yoga Philosophy [pp. 113-4] there is mentioned ( see Modern Panarion p 345) the word Interpolarization and that it can be found in Isis Unveiled pp 23-24… ============================== DTB see I U I xxiii-xxiv -- probably there, but the unknown editor of that collection of HPB Articles under the title of MODERN PANARION in 1895 changed many words and sentences from the original articles -- we noticed, but did not presume to re-correct from the original text in that book as it was a “photocopy” reproduced ‘as per original.’ Similarly, if you compare the rest of the Modern Panarion articles and texts with the original magazine and newspaper articles, you will discover (as a proof reader) unmarked changes. We may conclude one of three things: 1 HPB may have seen and agreed to those (or to some) changes before she died. 2 HPB may never have seen and agreed to them. 3 HPB may have verbally (all original writings are not available any more, 110 years later) agreed to some and permitted Mead and others ( A B ?) to edit her writing for greater clarity. Let me explain, as a possibility: -- [Let us suppose that an Adept ( which Masters and Judge say HPB was ! ) writes for us (4th Rounders) in the 14 year period of 1874 - 1891 [ according to S D I 200, we are – generally as a “Race,” at the evolutionary level of: 4th Round, 4th Globe, 5th Race [Aryan] level of mind development]. At that time let us suppose the text-matter as written by the Adept, is placed in the hands of this kind of highly intellectual individual, yet, they are of lesser development than the Adept author, and they are given the charge of either: 1) producing it exactly; or, assuming they know their current language well and better than an “uneducated foreign Russian woman,” they: 2) assume the right and duty to edit it to the standards of the current well-educated intellectual level they know well and are trained into. As I say, 110 years later we do not know what decisions were made. As a further example, look at HPB’s notes on Mead’s translation of the Gnostic PISTIS SOPHIA. Now what shall we do? ================================================ P B now I cannot find it there…can you? Are there different editions or what has happened? Am I missing something? Can you help me out? Peter ------------------------------------------------- TANTRAS A student writes: "Really, we must stop this silly parroting of HPB about the danger of Tantras in general. It is harmful to parade our ignorance before the masses, let alone the list readers. Let us discuss…SPECIFIC teachings in SPECIFIC tantras. Only in that way can we test HPB's guidance for ourselves, and understand her position. Let those who have neither read nor understood ANY tantras cease expostulating on them." Well, if the list were to assume the position suggested-- that of discussing Hindu and Buddhist Tantras and test out on that basis the Theosophy H.P.B. brought to the modern world and her guidance for us -- then all of us ignorant of Tantras would be eliminated from the study and make of it an exclusive club of Tantrikas who have taken upon themselves the putting of Theosophy, and Great Ones who gave it, in the dock and judge it and Them, by the standard of their present scholarship and learning in the Tantras. If that is the import of the statement of our friend, then, I am afraid, there is no meeting ground between those students of Theosophy who, by their own long study and reflection, inwardly recognise Theosophy as the true basis -- the touch-stone -- by which every system of thought should be judged, on the one hand, and those others who do not so regard Theosophy; or those who think that Theosophy is another evolving system of thought which can be developed, modified or improved up on, on the other. It will be like attempting to discuss nuances of classical music by a lover of music with another who has no ear for music. In that case the whole discussion will be useless because there is no common ground between the two. If that is not the import of our friend's statement, then the question is : Is the study of the Tantras the way to test H.P.B's guidance for ourselves and understand her position ? Well, in that case let us recall what is H.P.B.'s guidance for us, students of Theosophy, and see for ourselves where we stand on this vexed question of Tantras. H.P.B. and Masters have clearly traced out the lines of work for us. Let me begin with H.P.B.'s “Five Messages to American Theosophists.” 1. Not pander to phenomenalism or psychic craving, but hold aloft the beacon light of Theosophy pure and simple : “Since the Society was founded, a distinct change has come over the spirit of the age. Those who gave us the commission to found the Society foresaw this, now rapidly growing wave of transcendental influence following the other wave of mere phenomenalism. Even journals of Spiritualism are gradually eliminating phenomena and wonders, to replace them with philosophy. The Theosophical Society has led the van of this movement; but, although Theosophical ideas have entered into every development or form which awakening spirituality has assumed, yet Theosophy pure and simple has still a severe battle to fight for recognition....Many are Theosophists who, taught by bitter experience, have pledged themselves to make of the Society a 'miracle club' no longer. The faint hearted have asked in all ages for signs there are others among us who realize intuitionally that the recognition of pure Theosophy -- the philosophy of the rational explanation of things and not of the tenets -- is of the most vital importance to the Society, in as much as it alone can furnish the beacon-light needed to guide humanity on its true path." ( 1st Message) "It must be remembered that the Society was not founded as a nursery for forcing a supply of Occultists -- as a factory for the manufacture of Adepts. It was intended to stem the current of materialism, and also that of spiritualistic phenomenalism and the worship of the Dead. It had to guide the spiritual awakening that has now begun, and not to pander to psychic craving which are but another form of materialism." (1st Message) "Therefore it is that the Ethics of Theosophy are even more necessary to mankind than the scientific aspects of the psychic facts of nature and man." (2nd Message). "The experiments made in Hypnotism and Mesmerism at the present time are experiments in unconscious, when not of conscious Black Magic. The road is wide and broad which leads to such destruction: and it is but too easy to find; and only too many go ignorantly along it to their own destruction. But the practical cure for it lies in one thing. That is the course of study which I mentioned before. It sounds very simple, but is eminently difficult; for the cure is 'ALTRUISM.' And this is the keynote of Theosophy and the cure for all ills; this it is which the real Founders of the Theosophical Society promote as its first object--UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD." (2nd Message). "Thus if only in name a body of Altruists, the Theosophical Society has to fight all who under its cover seek to obtain magical powers to use for their own selfish ends and to the hurt of others. Many are those who joined our Society for no other purpose than curiosity. Psychological phenomena were what they sought, and they were unwilling to yield one iota of their own pleasures and habits to obtain them. Those very quickly went empty handed. THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY HAS NEVER BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE A SCHOOL OF PROMISCUOUS THEURGIC RITES..."(2nd Message). "What of the coming year? And first a word of warning. As the preparation for the new cycle proceeds, as the fore-runners of the new sub-race make their appearance on the American continent, the latent psychic and occult powers in man are beginning to germinate and grow. Hence the rapid growth of such movements as Christian Science, Mind Cure, Metaphysical Healing, Spiritual Healing, and so forth. [Is not the many kinds of Yoga practices, and now Tantric study and practices tremendously popularized and followed after in this century a manifestation of the same cause ?] All these movements represent nothing but different phases of the exercise of these growing powers,-- as yet not understood and therefore but too often ignorantly misused. Understand once for all that there is nothing 'spiritual' or 'divine' in any of these manifestations..." (3rd Message). "Your position as the fore-runners of the sixth sub-race of the firth root -race has its own special perils as well as its special advantages. Psychism with all its allurements and all its dangers, is necessarily developing among you, and you must beware lest the psychic outruns the Manasic and spiritual development. Psychic capacities held perfectly under control, checked and directed by the Manasic principle, are valuable aids in development. But these capacities running riot, controlling instead of controlled, using instead of being used, lead the Student into the most dangerous delusions and the certainty of moral destruction. Watch therefore carefully this development, inevitable in your race and evolution period so that it may finally work for good and not for evil...." (4th Message). Well, if we consider ourselves as students of Theosophy and are committed to work for its great Cause, if we are loyal to the great Founders of the Movement and wish to benefit it, then we have to seriously take into account the above guidelines and work along those lines, and not dismiss it all as "silly parroting of H.P.B. about the dangers of Tantras." In the next installment I would like to put across, (1) why Tantric study and exercises are inadvisable and dangerous, and (2) What course of study and work have the Masters and Their accredited Messengers traced out for us. The whole debate that is now raging on line on Tantras has to be viewed in the above light. Now, to the two points we could consider: (1) why Tantric study and exercises are inadvisable and dangerous, and (2) What course of study and work have the Masters and Their accredited Messengers traced out for us. (1) Why Tantric study and exercises are inadvisable and dangerous ? Tantra literally means rule or ritual. In their original form as conceived and formulated by Initiates it is a great Science of Being, Microcosmic within the Macrocosmic, in the universal language of symbolism -- of geometrical figures, colors, sounds, numbers (metrical speech, mantras) and allegorical narations. Iconography, sacred architecture, with which deal the great Agama sastras, are all part of Tantras. They in their original purity and content are high and elevating. In the S.D. they are referred to as MAHAVIDYA. In the Glossary (200) it is said it is: “The great esoteric science. The highest Initiates alone are in possession of this science, which embraces almost universal knowledge." In the S.D. we are constantly reminded that there are seven great branches of Divine Knowledge, each having their subdivisions, of which four are said to have been spoken of in the Puranas (S.D. I, 168-9) as "Yajna vidya (the performance of religious rites in order to produce certain results); ' Maha-Vidya,' the great (Magic) knowledge, now degenerated into Tantrike worship; 'Guhya-Vidya,' the science of Mantras and their true rhythm or chanting, of mystical incantations, etc.,--[of these four Vidyas] it is only the last one, ' Atma-Vidya,' or the true Spiritual and Divine Wisdom, which can throw absolute and final light upon the teachings of the three first named. Without the help of Atma-Vidya, the other three remain no better than surface sciences, geometrical magnitudes having length and breadth, but no thickness. They are like the soul, limbs, and mind of a sleeping man : capable of mechanical motions, of chaotic dreams and even sleep-walking, of producing visible effects, but stimulated by instinctual not intellectual causes, least of all by fully conscious spiritual impulses. A good deal can be given out and explained from the three first named sciences. But unless the key to their teachings is furnished by Atma-Vidya, they will remain for ever like the fragments of a mangled text-book, like the adumberations of great truths, dimly perceived by the most spiritual, but distorted out of all proportions by those who would nail every shadow to the wall." The above S.D. explanation is the most important we should never forget. The great work of the Initiates remain entirely esoteric, and some of their system which they consider it safe to be entrusted to public for the intellectual, moral and spiritual needs of the race, they give out -- such as, the Puranas, the various Agama Sastras, as in Buddhist Tantras and so on. What is entrusted to public care cannot but degenerate into superstition, and even licentiousness due to the great ignorance of the uninitiated. The public teachings of the Initiates get mixed up with spurious literature of the deluded and the wicked. In other words, the white Tantra is obscured by black Tantra. Unless you have the Key of Atma-Vidya -- which you have to find in yourself, through yourself and by yourself-- you have no way of telling the one from the other. So, all our exoteric "learning'" of Tantras itself is questionable, and he is wise who will not dogmatize or claim he knows. Hence it is said in Glossary[ P. 319] under Tantra: "Certain mystical and magical works, whose chief peculiarity, is the worship of the female power, personified in Sakti. Devi or Durga (Kali, Siva's wife) is the special energy connected with sexual rites and magical powers -- the worst form of black magic or sorcery." Hence there are white and black Tantras. The latter are obsessed with sex and its shameful and sinful abuse in the guise of Tantric worship. On the same page, under 'Tantrika,' [Glos. 319] H.P.B. says, "Sakti having two-fold nature, white and black, good and bad, the Saktas are divided into two classes, the Dakshinacharis and Vamacharis, or the right-hand and the left-hand Saktas, i.e., 'white' and 'black magicians. The worship of the latter is the most licentious and immoral." Every truth made public by the great Avatars and Masters are invariably and inevitably polluted, corrupted, misused and abused, and millions are thus led astray. How can one blame Them for Their reticence ? It is out of great pity and compassion for the world of deluded mortals that They keep the sacred science out of the reach of the profane, and themselves remain anonymous. Hence their first task is to give out such philosophical and ethical teachings as will purify the race mind and thus fit it to receive Instruction from Them and fit the race to bear the awful power of Their Presence in flesh and blood amongst us. The Theosophical Movement was launched with this object in view. As repeatedly stated by H.P.B. and W.Q.J. -- some of which were quoted by me from H.P.B.'s five Messages to American Theosophists -- the object of the great Founders of the T.S. is not to pander to psychic cravings -- all this craze for Tantric practices in no more than that--but moral elevation of the race, which Theosophy alone--it alone and no other--can accomplish. It is due to the very nature of man -- his dual nature -- that the spiritual and the material-- the good and evil, the true and the false, the sublime and the base become mixed up on our plane of illusion, Maya, and it makes it evident that we have to strive to obtain Atma-Vidya and avoid following after Tantras -- which are not of much use as a mere intellectual study, unless one is thoroughly well grounded in the metaphysics and science of the Ethics of Theosophy; and, it will invariably be dangerous as guide to so-called Yoga practices. Speaking of this great mystery of the dual aspect of Man, Manu, Manas, connected as it is with the fifth hierarchy symbolized in the constellation of Makara, H.P.B. says (SD II, 579), "But this is a mystery which the writer dares not dwell upon at length, not being sure of being understood. Thus the mystical side of the interpretation must be left to the intuition of the student. Let us note one more thing in relation to the mysterious number five. It symbolizes at one and the same time the spirit of life eternal and the Spirit of life and love terrestrial -- in the human compound; and, it includes divine and infernal magic, and the universal and the individual quintessence of being" It is the Self of Matter and the Self of Spirit. They cannot co-exist. "One of the twain must disappear." Therefore, like Tantra, Yoga is also are of two kinds--lower and the higher. If you resort to the lower you automatically exclude and eliminate the higher -- and dire are its consequences. The true path is death and dissolution of the lower and its rejuvenation and rebirth into the Higher. Is this not the burden of song of the Bhagavadgita, Voice of the Silence, Light on the Path ? Why the lower kind of Yoga practices are dangerous, I shall briefly recount as I understand, in the next part, and then a few words about (2). Continuing from previous notes on the dangers of Tantric practices, let us see why the lower Yogic practices are highly inadvisable. Now let us see the scope and the content, the means and the end of the two kinds of Yoga. The Higher Yoga is shown in the Glossary(p. 381) to be : "The practice of meditation as a means of leading to spiritual liberation. PSYCHO-SPIRITUAL POWERS are obtained thereby, and induced ecstatic state lead to the correct perception of the eternal truths, in both the visible and invisible universe." (For emphasis capital letters used by me). The methods, the means and the end, viz., Awakening of Psycho-Spiritual Powers leading to correct perception of Eternal Truth, may please be noted. This is Raja Yoga. Again in Glossary (p. 275) under Raja Yoga it is said, "The true system of developing PSYCHIC AND SPIRITUAL POWERS and UNION WITH ONE'S HIGHER SELF -- OR THE SUPREME SPIRIT, as the profane express it. RAJA-YOGA IS OPPOSED TO HATHA-YOGA, THE PHYSICAL OR PSYCHO-PHYSIOLOGICAL TRAINING IN ASCETICISM." The distinction is significant: in Raja Yoga, it is the awakening of Psycho-Spiritual faculties for acquiring Eternal Truth. In Hatha Yoga it is the training of physical and psycho-physiological powers -- which can never bloom into spiritual development. Why ? Because, "Self of Matter and SELF of Spirit can never meet. One of the twain must disappear ; there is no place for both." (Voice, 13). Now what does the Glossary say of Hatha Yoga ? (p. 136) : "The lower form of Yoga practice ; one which USES PHYSICAL MEANS FOR PURPOSES OF SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT. The opposite of Raja-Yoga." In view of the principle enunciated in the Voice quoted above, which is explained further in the S.D. teaching on the mystery of the dual aspect of Manas, development of physical and psycho-physiological powers can never lead to Spiritual development. It will certainly lead to accentuation of personality, physical health and psychic senses -- if practiced under a competent guide-- but will eliminate Spirit. That is why it is said that it is "the opposite of Raja-Yoga." Hatha-Yoga practices include postures (Asana), breath-control (Pranayama), various kinds of outer practices of so-called meditations, visualizations, concentration of mind on Chakras, awakening of lower Kundalini leading to development of psychic senses and so on. All our Tantric practices are this only and no more. Masters denounce these practices as worst kind of black magic. They consider one I indulging in such practices to be unfit to be their chela. It will do terrible harm. Our friends have high-lighted what our Masters have said of these useless and dangerous practices. Now let me bring forward what other true Gurus have said of the lower Yoga. Sri Shankaracharya says this in Vivekachudamani : "The conviction of truth is seen to arise only from inquiry and the trustworthy upadesa, not by bath or gift or by hundreds of breathing exercises (Pranayamashatena)" (Verse 13). He discountenances pranayama. "..liberation will not arise even after hundreds of Brahmakalpas without the knowledge of the unity of Atman" (Verse 6}. Knowledge of unity of Atman is "a truer realization of the SELF; a profounder conviction of Universal Brotherhood," the first and foremost object of the Great Founders of the original Theosophical society, the practical realization of it in this world of sorrow is Their one and sole concern. Do you want to be Their helper ? Then throw aside all these shams and go to work along the lines They have painstakingly drawn up for us. If you still persist in your folly, you are helping the black forces for ever opposed to Their Great Cause. See what great Jnaneswara says of all these shams called Kundalini Yoga, in his Dwadashakshari Abhanga, quoted by Pandit Bhavani Shankar, a disciple of our Masters, in his "The Doctrine of the Bhagavadgita," p.20 : "Awakening the serpent by the control of the nine gates and passing it through Sushumna, which is one of the three Nadis, such is not, say the Munis, the path. The fount of liberation is in ceaseless contemplation of Nara-Hari. [The Atma, eternally the co-resident in man.] " He again cites Machhendra, describing the qualification of a chela : "Arousing the Kundalini and forcing it up to the Brahmarandra (the crown of the head) and thus acquiring the power of walking on water and of prophecy, do not constitute a spiritual man -- such is not fit to be a chela." Having stated the vital difference between the true Royal Yoga and its dark shadow, Hatha-Yoga, let us see what deadly results follow the practice of the latter. (i) Accentuation of personality (Matter) -- which implies all the dark qualities of Egotism, vanity etc., -- and corresponding atrophy of Spiritual faculties and moral perception. Krishna says in the Bhagavadgita that when Buddhi-vinasha (Atrophy of the faculty of Buddhi, the highest spiritual discriminative perception in man) takes place everything is lost. (II/63). (ii) All that one may gain by way of Siddhis are of lower order, though appear to be miraculous to ignorant people, are lost at death, except whatever true spiritual aspiration and merit the practitioner might have accomplished. In the next birth he will have to acquire again which was lost at death of the previous personality. But the force of the tendency generated by the practices indulged in the previous life will impel him to continue in the old practice with all its attendant risks further accentuated. (iii) Some of these lower practices lead to mediumship -- irresponsible and unconscious agent of Astral influences, mostly Kamarupic entities and disembodied black magicians, called in Theosophical parlance, Elementaries. It will finally lead the practitioner to what Krishna warns of in the Bhagavadgita, Soul-destruction (Atmanashana) (XVI/21), referred to in Theosophy as spiritual death or annihilation of the “Lower-Manas,” or the “personal soul.” (iv) Break-down of physical and mental health, destruction of brain cells. In some cases insanity results. Damodar Mavlankar, another chela of the Masters, cites some instances of the terrible pass to which some misguided practitioners came. (ULT pamphlet no. 12). What then is the course we must adopt ? Read books and magazines and through book reading make spiritual progress ? Why? Have not the great Founders of Theosophical Movement written this out on the wall for all to see the course They have traced out for us ? And, if followed faithfully, should do incalculable good for the whole Humanity, and consequently, good to ourselves, we being an inseparable part of the whole ? In fact our conjoined studies, ought to focus our attention to this important question of the “Original Lines of work” traced by the Founders of the THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT, so as to create one more opportunity for the Theosophical world to unite again on those impersonal principles to carry out the great object of the MOVEMENT . Ramprakash. I Support This View Dallas