Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00272)

Dear Jerry,
Thanks for info. You said you found honest students in all 
organization. That is true but point I wrote is different. 
You wrote implying members belong to, are and should be loyal to 
their organization. Fact is there is no one organization to which 
serious students belong. Their goal should be to find the truth from 
all sources and organizations. Loyalty should be to truth and it 
should not be blind supporting of organizations of which a person is 
member.
My question is still not answered. So it is being written again. 


Let us analyse facts given in message 30270.
Purucker wrote in ES circular
> if within three months after
> de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the proper
proofs of
> spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have failed".

No such leader or Outer Head of ES emerged, which meant Pasadena TS
failed, there was no ES after Purucker's death and so there was no
Outer Head of ES in Pasadena TS. Despite these specific directions,
in 1945, Conger claimed to be the Outer Head of the Esoteric School
which had ceased to exist. He appointed William Hartley as
successor, cabinet rejected him and appointed James Long as leader
in 1951. James Long closed ES and told that Purucker had already
stopped ES instructions in 1939. Does that mean Pasadena TS told
lies during 1939 to 1951 under the name of Esoteric Instructions ?

AG

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...> 
wrote:
>
> Dear Anand, Friends,
> 
> Let's put it this way: in 1895, those who felt lied to, sided with 
> either Besant or Judge, depending upon who they believed was 
telling the 
> truth.  Accordingly, those who felt lied in in 1945-46, sided with 
> either Conger, or with the dissenting Board members, depending 
upon who 
> they believed was telling the truth.  In 1951, those who felt lied 
to 
> sided with either Long or with Hartley, depending upon...well, you 
know....
> 
> By 1931 there were dozens of "Theosophical" organizations 
populated by 
> Theosophists who believed that they have been lied to.  Who is 
going to 
> cut through the Gordian knot and tell us who are the liars and who 
are 
> the truth tellers?  
> 
> I have met the leaders of all these factions and others too.  They 
all 
> strike me as sincere and dedicated people trying to promulgate 
Theosophy 
> to the best of their ability.  Isn't that good enough?
> 
> Perhaps the Theosophical Movement is better off with its multitude 
of 
> expressions coming from many organizations.  Now, students of 
Theosophy 
> have different schools to compare.  They can choose the one (on 
ones) 
> which best meet their temperament. 
> 
> I submit that the most constructive thing a member of a 
Theosophical 
> organization can do is to keep an eye on their own organization 
and make 
> sure that those in charge are being honest.  Let the members of 
other 
> organizations keep watch on their own leaders.
> 
> Best
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> Anand Gholap wrote:
> 
> >Let us analyse facts given in message 30270. 
> >Purucker wrote in ES circular
> >  
> >
> >>if within three months after
> >>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the 
proper 
> >>    
> >>
> >proofs of
> >  
> >
> >>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have 
failed".  
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >No such leader or Outer Head of ES emerged, which meant Pasadena 
TS 
> >failed, there was no ES after Purucker's death and so there was 
no 
> >Outer Head of ES in Pasadena TS. Despite these specific 
directions, 
> >in 1945, Conger claimed to be the Outer Head of the Esoteric 
School 
> >which had ceased to exist. He appointed William Hartley as 
> >successor, cabinate rejected him and appointed James Long as 
leader 
> >in 1951. James Long closed ES and told that Purucker had already 
> >stopped ES instructions in 1939. Does that mean Pasadena TS told 
> >lies during 1939 to 1951 under the name of Esoteric Instructions ?
> >
> >AG
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, gregory@ wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>In response to Damian's request for information on the Pt 
> >>    
> >>
> >Loma/Pasadena ES I am
> >  
> >
> >>sending a summary of a section from a paper I gave at a 
> >>    
> >>
> >Thosophical history
> >  
> >
> >>conference in California many years ago. It comes from a study 
of 
> >>    
> >>
> >secret
> >  
> >
> >>societies and esoteric groups within the Theosophical movement. 
I 
> >>    
> >>
> >hope to
> >  
> >
> >>complete the work for publication one day.
> >>
> >>Dr Gregory Tillett
> >>
> >>De Purucker died suddenly and unexpectedly on September 27, 
1942.  
> >>    
> >>
> >He had left
> >  
> >
> >>specific instructions regarding his successor: the successor was 
> >>    
> >>
> >to "emerge"
> >  
> >
> >>within three years after de Purucker's death, and would be 
> >>    
> >>
> >recognized by "the
> >  
> >
> >>proper proofs of spiritual leadership".  During those three 
years, 
> >>    
> >>
> >the Society
> >  
> >
> >>was to be ruled by a Cabinet.  If no Head emerged, then the 
> >>    
> >>
> >Cabinet was to
> >  
> >
> >>elect a leader.
> >>
> >>No successor emerged, and the Cabinet elected Colonel Conger.  
The 
> >>    
> >>
> >ES continued
> >  
> >
> >>without an OH. De Purucker had made no provision for a successor 
> >>    
> >>
> >to be
> >  
> >
> >>appointed, but, at ES meetings he had given directions on the 
> >>    
> >>
> >matter, and these
> >  
> >
> >>had been published in a confidential ES circular: if within 
three 
> >>    
> >>
> >months after
> >  
> >
> >>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the 
proper 
> >>    
> >>
> >proofs of
> >  
> >
> >>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have 
failed".  
> >>    
> >>
> >The ES was
> >  
> >
> >>meanwhile administered by a Council.
> >>
> >>Conger began to make claims to this position.  At a meeting of 
the 
> >>    
> >>
> >ES on
> >  
> >
> >>December 21, 1945, Conger claimed to be the OH of the ES.  The 
> >>    
> >>
> >Cabinet divided
> >  
> >
> >>between those who accepted this claim (including John van Mater 
> >>    
> >>
> >and Grace
> >  
> >
> >>Knoche) and those who rejected it (including Henry Edge and 
Emmett 
> >>    
> >>
> >Small).
> >  
> >
> >>On December 25, ten leading members of the ES (including Small, 
> >>    
> >>
> >Harrison and
> >  
> >
> >>Edge) presented Conger with a statement of protest against his 
> >>    
> >>
> >claim.  They
> >  
> >
> >>challenged Conger to demonstrate knowledge of an inner degree of 
> >>    
> >>
> >the ES. Conger
> >  
> >
> >>declined to do so.
> >>
> >>A controversy developed between Conger and his supporters, and 
> >>    
> >>
> >those who denied
> >  
> >
> >>his claims.  In March, 1946, Conger demanded the resignation of 
> >>    
> >>
> >the dissidents.
> >  
> >
> >>It seems probable that the majority of members of the ES within 
> >>    
> >>
> >the Point Loma
> >  
> >
> >>Society rejected Conger's claim.
> >>
> >>At a meeting on Paris 4, 1946, Conger announced the closure of 
the 
> >>    
> >>
> >ES "by the
> >  
> >
> >>Master's direction", and declared that esoteric activities were 
> >>    
> >>
> >now "forbidden
> >  
> >
> >>by the Master".  However, in October, 1946, a circular was sent 
> >>    
> >>
> >out announcing
> >  
> >
> >>that ES activities were to be resumed, and those wishing to take 
> >>    
> >>
> >part must sign
> >  
> >
> >>and return a pledge, whereupon they would receive de Purucker's 
ES 
> >>    
> >>
> >instructions.
> >  
> >
> >>Conger died on February 22, 1951, and left a witnessed document 
> >>    
> >>
> >appointing
> >  
> >
> >>William Hartley as his successor.  However, the Cabinet 
> >>    
> >>
> >unanimously refused to
> >  
> >
> >>recognize Hartley and James Long was appointed as leader.
> >>
> >>Long claimed that de Purucker had stopped giving out teachings 
> >>    
> >>
> >about 1939, and
> >  
> >
> >>that there had been no instruction after that year even in the 
> >>    
> >>
> >ES.  Long
> >  
> >
> >>finally closed the ES, saying, enigmatically, "the esoteric has 
> >>    
> >>
> >now become
> >  
> >
> >>exoteric, and the exoteric esoteric".
> >>
> >>Following Long's death on July 19, 1971, he was succeeded by 
Grace 
> >>    
> >>
> >Knoche.
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