Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00015)

Carlos,

I can assure you I am not Daniel Caldwell. He is far more learned 
than I, and so I am sure, are you.

The problem is that you are a Fundamentalist. You have found your 
Gods, you have chosen your Prophet, you have studied the Holy Book, 
you have decided on the acceptable methods of worship, practice and 
teaching of your 'religion'. Now you are determined to root out the 
evil of heresy in your church.

There is much to criticize in Leadbeater's works (a lot of it is 
useless stuff like the Lives, description of the Masters' appearance 
etc, even if some of it may be accurate). However, I find much of his 
other material quite useful. If you need to criticize him, you can do 
that by discussing those books of his which are popular (there are 
many). But do this once and for all and then move on to something 
else (or write a book if you have enough material). But what you do 
are these daily postings using ridicule (on Mars), false accusations 
(Leadbeater fancied himself a 4th degree initiate), childish 
allusions (the WC thing), half-truths (Leadbeater got most his 
information using mediumship) etc.

To use an expression I am sure Daniel would never use - gimme a break!

Regards,

Dave

PS. Actually, I don't have any ability for clairvoyance, but you may 
want to check about your past lives with some of the mediums you seem 
to know. It may be quite therapeutic.
 
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Dave,
> 
> As a clairvoyant of past lives, you remind me of Leadbeater's 
clairvoyance.
> 
> In a way, it is funny, like his travels to Mars and Mercury.
> 
> Yet, your style seems to be also similar to that of Daniel 
Caldwell.  I just
> 
> don't know why it is so similar, if you are not himself!
> 
> Best regards,  Carlos.
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "soulsurvivor7771" <pathinfo@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Jokes and Diversity
> >Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:13:08 -0000
> >
> >Carlos,
> >
> >Lets face it - you are a fundamentalist. You have found your Gods
> >and you can't stand anybody referring to them in a casual way (ie
> >with deference, if not reverence). You want to root out 
the 'Heresy'
> >in your 'Church' where you see that it has gained some ground.
> >
> >The reason you tolerate Paul Johnson is because few theosophists
> >believe him (No offence, Paul) and he does treat them with
> >deference.
> >
> >You don't think Truth is your private property, since it already
> >belongs to your Church. In one of your previous incarnations, you
> >were possibly an Inquisitor (well meaning, of course) making sure
> >the members did not stray too far from the path. However, your
> >orthodoxy seems a little more Islamic than Western, you are quite
> >ready to throw stones at the Devil's idolatory.
> >
> >There is nothing wrong with jokes about the Masters when the intent
> >is not to ridicule or show disrespect (I don't think this joke does
> >that, though it may be a bit out of place in this forum). However,
> >when you talk about other people's beliefs in your daily diatribes,
> >that is precisely your intent.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Dave
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > I democratically accept Paul Johnson's false "revelation" of the
> >Masters
> > > as a right of his, and I laugh, if not with the Masters, at 
least
> >I laugh
> > > with you.
> > >
> > > I tried to buy Truth and label it as my private property only  
but
> >did not
> > > succeed yet.
> > >
> > > I will let you know when I buy it.
> > >
> > > You have my respect.  We can agree to disagree.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,  Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Bill Meredith <meredith_bill@>
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Re:  Jokes and Jokes
> > > >Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:36:50 -0500
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Make whatever jokes please you.  If they are funny, I will 
laugh.
> > > >
> > > >What I find interesting is that when someone does something you
> >don't
> > > >like, your knee-jerk response is to do or threaten to do the 
very
> >same
> > > >thing back to them. Meditate on that, my friend.
> > > >
> > > >laughing with the Masters,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >bill
> > > >
> > > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> > > > > Dear Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's the problem with Paul Johnson"s view about the 
Masters.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the Adepts themselves commented this lack of respect in
> >their
> > > >Letters.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not the end of the world.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please tell me what you consider sacred so that I can make
> >jokes with
> > > >it,
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,  Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> From: Bill Meredith <meredith_bill@>
> > > > >> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >> Subject: Re: Theos-World Jokes and Jokes
> > > > >> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:13:53 -0500
> > > > >>
> > > > >> One might read the Master's letters and wonder if they were
> >ever young
> > > > >> men such those portrayed below.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ------
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sophia had two young Masters who were excessively
> >mischievous.  They
> > > > >> were always getting into trouble and Sophia knew that, if 
any
> >mischief
> > > > >> occurred in the Theosophical Society, K.H. and Morya were
> >probably
> > > > >> involved.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sophia heard that a local priest of the LCC had been
> >successful in
> > > > >> disciplining masters, so she asked if he would speak with 
her
> >boys.
> > > >The
> > > > >> Bishop Leadbeater agreed, but asked to see them
> >individually.  Sophia
> > > > >> sent Morya in first, with K.H. scheduled to see the 
clergyman
> >in the
> > > > >> afternoon.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The Bishop, a huge man with a booming voice, sat the young
> >Morya down
> > > > >> and asked him sternly, "Where is God?"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Morya's mouth dropped open, but he made no response, 
sitting
> >there with
> > > > >> his mouth hanging open, wide-eyed.  So the clergyman 
repeated
> >the
> > > > >> question in an even sterner tone, "Where is God!!?"  Again
> >the young
> > > > >> Morya made no attempt to answer.  So the clergyman raised 
his
> >voice
> > > >even
> > > > >> more and shook his finger in the young Master's face and
> >bellowed,
> > > > >> "WHERE IS GOD!?"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Morya screamed and bolted from the room, ran directly home
> >and dove
> > > >into
> > > > >> his closet, slamming the door behind him.  When his brother
> >Koot Hoomi
> > > > >> found him in the closet, he asked, "What happened?"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The young Morya, still gasping for breath, 
replied, "Brother,
> >we are in
> > > > >> BIG trouble this time.  God is missing - and they think WE
> >did it!"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----------
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> peace and a sense of humor,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> bill
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Dear Sufilight,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> If you make jokes with the names of the Masters,
> > > > >>> I might make jokes with the Prophet,
> > > > >>> yet I somewaht prefer keeping jokes away
> > > > >>> from Masters names and from the Prophet's name.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Deal?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Carlos.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@>
> > > > >>>> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >>>> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Better watch out who you pick on
> >here, buddy
> > > > >>>> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:53:47 +0100
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Yeah...
> > > > >>>> I have just lend Master Morya's de- and re-materialising-
kit
> > > > >>>> a our local spiritual library. They said, I could keep it
> >for this
> > > > >>>> incarnation.
> > > > >>>> :-)
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> from
> > > > >>>> M. Sufilight on his flying carpet...
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>>> From: <Drpsionic@>
> > > > >>>> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:33 AM
> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Better watch out who you pick on
> >here, buddy
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> In a message dated 2/27/2006 12:02:29 AM Central 
Standard
> >Time,
> > > > >>>>> leonmaurer@ writes:
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