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Re: To Alaya, on a Hard Task

Feb 21, 2006 04:13 PM
by Alaya


Aveline, I totaly agree with all you have said.
in fact I am much delighted to read your posts showing how leadbeater
is not only a liar, but many other bad things.
You are right when you say that the TS was greatly destroyed because
of CWL's influence.. and people should know the bad things about him
because the only thing that matters is the truth..
all should know he was a megalomaniac, a liar, a pedofile... that his
teachings were opposite in many things to those of HPB and the Masters.
and people should have the right to chose wheter he believes or not in
this things.
however, i believe we should not try to 'put new wine in old cups'...
you know well about the situation at adyar, you know radha is not
intersted in true occultism, and you know that most, if not all,
Theosophical societies (i sincerely hope not) are poisoned with
leadbeater... and only few years ago, decades i may saiy, started to
reenphazise HPB's works... and should start reintrotucting W.Q.Judge....
but why do we spend so much time discussing such old matters? are we
so tight to the past?
I totaly understand the revolt we feel when dealing with such people
as leadbeater and wedgood (i can't remember the right speling) 
I myself have talked a lot about this matters.. I translated excerpts
of all I could find about leadbeater, popery in the TS, and those
things... most of the material i found at Caldwell's web site... I
translated "H.P.Blavatsky- a great betrayal" , by alice cleather, and
parts of gregory tillet's book on leadbeater and stuff..(translate
into portuguese) and sudelny many people from the TS in Sao Paulo,
including Osmar, were saying really bad things to me, like if a was a
great heretic of the TS, only because I was talking about leadbeater
and the LCC (an anommolous body inside de TS) and trying tho show the
'other side' to people who believe leadbeater is a saint..
so I guess is not worth the effort, some people just don't want to
listen and don't want to know.. they have been following leadbeater
for years and years and refuse to see the terrible things he has done

but maybe HPB is laughting at us...
maybe she is woried with other things...
the TS didn't worked
the TS was almost dead between HPB's death and de 50's... and now it
has died again with Radha
so maybe we should release our selves from the past and from this
stupid authors, and look ahead.. like my father did. 
sincerely
alaya

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Dear Alaya,
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> On the one hand  CWL is a stupid author and I could not agree more with 
> that.
> 
> On the other hand , though, he was not a stupid organizer. He took the 
> political power
> in an organization which karmically DOES NOT belong to him or to his 
> ritualistic followers.
> Belongs to Truth.
> 
> CWL based his political power on his pseudo-clairvoyance. Many
decades later 
> his popish empire is very slowly losing force.
> 
> Thousands of sincere souls  have looked for Theosophy, the divina
wisdom,  
> only to meet the bitter ritualistic  trap prepared by C.W.L. with his 
> protegé Annie Besant. Manyu souls have fallen  into it.
> 
> Unlike Leadbeater's Martian "description", this is no joke. "There
are souls 
> at stake in this game", wrote on Mahatma, in the Letters (I am
quoting it 
> approximately).
> 
> The theosophical movement must be the common ground for  interested
human 
> beings to test the esoteric philosophy in their lives.   There must be 
> truthfulness. No consciouss cheating must be allowed.  Adyar leaders
KNOW 
> dozens of "secrets" wich must be gradually opened and discussed
honestly.  A 
> new perspective may emerge as we have more frankness and look at
facts with 
> more
> respect for them as they are.
> 
> But I have to admit that the task is arid. Taking the movement
seriously is 
> no easy thing, and I
> am sorry for the ugliness of some truths which we must have the
courage to 
> discuss.
> 
> There is a time when to hide truth is possible, but this time may be
about 
> to end by now.
> 
> 
> You have my best wishes, Alaya.
> 
> Peace to all beings, Carlos Cardoso Aveline
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Alaya" <lalaya7@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: PEDRO , CWL & MARS
> >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:50:51 -0000
> >
> >I am amazed with how much time we lose by discussing such stupid
> >authors like leadbeater...
> >he should have not even been mentioned, it's not worthy.
> >You, as 'long standing theosophists' should know better how to spend
> >your time when dealing to spiritual matters.
> >
> >sincerely
> >Alaya
> >
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pedro,
> > >
> > > I may have lost some message here, so I will repeat
> > > the essential ideas:
> > >
> > > 1) If the Leadbeaterian descriptions of Mars & Mercury
> > > are literally accurate,  Why have them disappeared from
> > > later editions of "Inner Life"
> > >
> > > 2) Leadbeater was the main founder of the
> > > Liberal Catholic Church. He also had strong missionary
> > > instincts, and he visited MARS repeatedly. Do do you
> > > believe that he might have organized some secret
> > > religious mission to that planet, with L.C.C.
> > > priests?
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,  Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@>
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: Pedro Oliveira, HPB, NASA & MARS
> > > >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:49:55 -0000
> > > >
> > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> > > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As a former International Secretary of the Adyar TS who
lived for
> > > >several
> > > > > years in Adyar, perhaps you would give us all some
commentaries on
> > > >the
> > > > > accuracy of these revelations about MARS, made by the remarkably
> > > >clairvoyant
> > > > > writer Charles Leadbeater, SEE BELOW.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Not being a clairvoyant myself I am not in a position to comment on
> > > >his observations. Personally, I think he was just offering his view
> > > >on the subject. But it is interesting to note that the following
> > > >passage from "The Secret Doctrine", vol. 2, addenda IV-B, seems to
> > > >consider the possibility of life in other planets:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Venus, like Mercury, has a very dense atmosphere, as also has Mars
> > > >and the snows which cover their poles, the clouds which hide their
> > > >surface, the geographical configuration of their seas and
> > > >continents, the variations of seasons and climates, are all closely
> > > >analogous — at least to the eye of the physical astronomer.  But
> > > >such facts and the considerations to which they give rise, have
> > > >reference only to the possibility of the existence on these planets
> > > >of human life as known on earth.  That some forms of life such
as we
> > > >know are possible on these planets, has been long since abundantly
> > > >demonstrated, and it seems perfectly useless to go into detailed
> > > >questions of the physiology, etc., etc., of these hypothetical
> > > >inhabitants, since after all the reader can arrive only at an
> > > >imaginary extension of his familiar surroundings.  It is better to
> > > >rest content with the three conclusions which M. C. Flammarion,
whom
> > > >we have so largely quoted, formulates as rigorous and exact
> > > >deductions from the known facts and laws of science.
> > > >
> > > >I. The various forces which were active in the beginning of
> > > >evolution gave birth to a great variety of beings on the several
> > > >worlds; both in the organic and inorganic kingdoms.
> > > >
> > > >II. The animated beings were constituted from the first
according to
> > > >forms and organisms in correlation with the physiological state of
> > > >each inhabited globe.
> > > >
> > > >III. The humanities of other worlds differ from us, as much in
their
> > > >inner organization as in their external physical type."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I also would like you to clarify one more issue,  please.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When, back in 1999,  you said to me and to other Brazilian
> > > >students that the
> > > > > USA TPH was going to publish "a letter from Blavatsky" in which
> > > >she
> > > > > confessed she had 'a night of love' , did you know, by then,
that
> > > >the source
> > > > > of such a misinformation was Mr. Solvyov, a liar and libeller
> > > >considered
> > > > > "fifty times worse than the Colulombs" by no other than Mr.
Henry
> > > >Olcott in
> > > > > his memories?   Why did you not investigate the source of the
> > > >information
> > > > > before making it circulate?  Was it because Leadbeater's
literary
> > > >fancies
> > > > > were getting visible,  and attacking HPB with false charge was a
> > > >way of
> > > > > preserving the image of CWL's literary "achievement"???  Just
> > > >asking, I
> > > > > believe you are the one who can clarify that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I will reserve my opinion on your claim until after the publication
> > > >of the second volume of The Letters of H. P. Blavatsky.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >pedro
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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