Theos-Talk Archives (December 2005 Message tt00381)

Hello Alaya and Daniel and very best wishes for the new year,

Thank-you Daniel for the article, it is a good piece of research.
I found it covered many of the subtleties of this subject and how the teachings of the 
Blavatsky and her teachers requires perhaps stepping back further from whatmay seem at 
first glance to be apparently the case.

D Scot Rogo's conclusions seems to fit very much into the propositions put forward by 
HPB's theosophical teachings on this subject.

I remember when I read the Bloxam tapes* on cases of hypnotic `regressions'thinking that 
this may perhaps be cases of people `tapping' into shells rather than it being actually their 
past personalities.

*(More Lives Than One?: Evidence of the Remarkable Bloxham Tapes  
Jeffrey Iverson)

Some traditions teach that we can reincarnate in an animal form and for me I have never 
found this teaching to be very logical.

The teachings of theosophy on shells, metempsychoses and after death processes seems 
to be a more logical and consistent system, at this point in time for me atany rate.

Its my opinion that this theosophical information can help us deepen our understanding of 
our own occult experiences, if we may have them.

We of course may come to a completely different conclusion however as with all 
knowledge and experience we need to continually reassess and reexamine it looking at it 
from as many different perspectives or vantage points as possible, as our awareness may 
deepen or expand we can see these experiences from a perhaps wider perspective.


Perry

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@y...>wrote:
>
> After reading Alaya's & Perry's comments
> on reincarnation, I dusted off one of my own articles
> on this subject. It is still in rough
> draft but I share it for what it is worth.
> 
> See:
> 
> "Some Questions Concerning Reincarnation 
> and the Fate of Victims of Accidents & Violence"
> 
> at:
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/reincarnationstevenson.htm
> 
> Daniel
> http://blavatskyarchives.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Alaya" <lalaya7@y...> wrote:
> >
> > yes perry, this is a confusing subjetc
> > but it's very difficult to understant this statment when we think 
> that
> > HPB knew she was Cagliostro in her previous incarnation (in 18
> > centrury)... and what would we say about those children who return 
> in
> > few years and have clear memories of their previous life?
> > I myself know that between this life and my last one I spent only 
> 47
> > years 'dead'... and I also know where i was in the 16 century... so
> > how can this 15 centuries theory be true when personal experiences
> > prove the contrary?
> > I was thinking maybe this 'long space of time' is a psychological
> > time.. relative time, and doesn't correspond to time on Earth..
> > about other planets.. Masters really say in their letters about 
> life
> > on other planets, but as i understand, only mahatmas can switch 
> like
> > that, since they (and the secret doctrine) also made clear that our
> > 'humanity' is on ITS cicle, and other planets have other cicles, so
> > we, ordinary human being, could not possibly change..
> > Anyway..
> > thanks for your answer
> > 
> > Alaya
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "plcoles1" <plcoles1@y...> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Alaya,
> > > Just as a point of clarification HPB and her teachers also 
> suggested
> > a similar period of 
> > > time.
> > > 
> > > Key to theosophy page 145 in the chapter 'on the kamaloka and 
> devachan':
> > > 
> > > "ENQUIRER. What of the latter? How long does the incarnating Ego
> > remain in the 
> > > Devachanic state?
> > > 
> > > THEOSOPHIST. This, we are taught, depends on the degree of
> > spirituality and the merit or 
> > > demerit of the last incarnation. The average time is from ten to
> > fifteen centuries, as I 
> > > already told you."
> > > 
> > > Just as a personal opinion I think that the question of
> > reincarnation and metempsychosis is 
> > > an interesting one.
> > > I would suggest that in many areas of the teachings our
> > understandings are quite clunky 
> > > and partial.
> > > 
> > > In the devachan letter the mahatma suggests that 'we' 
> reincarnate on
> > other `planets'. 
> > > 
> > > Where my own mind and imagination have gone on this is, what is a
> > `planet' a state of 
> > > consciousness perhaps?
> > > 
> > > Is the physical planet simply a representation of a particular 
> state
> > of being?
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we are a little Earthocentric in that we think this
> > manifestation of 'earth' we find 
> > > ourselves in is the only one.
> > > 
> > > Maybe this `Earth' has many different manifestations in this
> > multiverse and maybe we 
> > > don't necessarily return to the same planet in the same way 
> that we
> > cant step into the 
> > > same river twice.
> > > 
> > > Another musing is maybe `Atlantis' and `Lemuria' can be seen in a
> > similar way.
> > > 
> > > As I say these are only musings but who knows maybe multi'
> > dimensions play a role in this 
> > > process of reincarnation?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > 
> > > Perry 
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Alaya" <lalaya7@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > what do you think about these absurd statements made by 
> leadbeater
> > > > that people reincarnate only after a long space of time, like 
> 700,
> > > > 1000 years... and that a 'elevated being' would take 1200 
> years to
> > return?
> > > > he also said that 800 years after his death he would 
> reincarnate in
> > > > California.
> > > > 
> > > > What do you think about this teaching of his?
> > > > I thing it is harmful to theosophy and can make people have 
> erroneous
> > > > notions about reincarnation.
> > > > All those who have had past lifes experiencies know that the 
> average
> > > > is one incarnation for century
> > > > we also know that many masters did return in other bodies in 
> the next
> > > > centuries...
> > > > sow how could leadbeater say something so foolish as 'people 
> are
> > > > reborn every 800 years'?
> > > > how could someone who said Besant was the PET of Master M. in
> > > > Atlantis... who fake others lives and invented the 'real' 
> story for
> > > > life in Mars and then says this stupidity be taken seriously??
> > > >
> > >
> >
>