Theos-Talk Archives (December 2005 Message tt00218)

Iain and all

You can only help a person if he expects, wishes, to be helped.
People are moved by different reasons, from beliefs brought by education to 
adverse mental conditions.
Iainīs idea of suggesting or influencing people whoīd be nearer him to 
support some personal help is good but we here, with all this trade of 
emails cannot even make him see an inch further, we donīt even know if he 
reads these comments.
In the path we find all kinds of people, those who are prepared for it and 
those who are not, and the only secure thing that we can do to change the 
world is to change ourselves first.
The great amount of emails that Anand has received up to now seems not to 
have changed a little bit in his comments and irony against HPB.
Who can change his mind if not himself?
Ho cannot halp him if not himself or the possibility of someone very 
conscious that be near him?
What does he think in his intimate now when reading these emails?
How does his mind work? How does his physical and chemical brain work?
What environmental or psychological conditions built up all these prejudices 
and stereotyped visions against HPB and against everyone that shows 
affection toward her works?
The subject is deeper than what it seems.
Maybe his presence here is disturbing something inside of us that is not 
well worked yet or his behaviour is trying to teach us something.
Life teach us in strange ways sometimes...

Just ideas...
Krishtar




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Iain" <ibse03888@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky's writing was the cause of . . . the TS 
(that's the truth)


> Lenny,
> I feel sorry for Annand, and his inability to learn or to see beyond
> what passes as his point of view. Who taught him? and why ? This is 
> perhaps
> the danger with cults or cult-like groups,who is controlling who?AND FOR
> WHAT PURPOSE? He does himself no favours nor Theosophy by his 
> statements,but
> when he makes them they have to be challenged which exposes his flawed 
> point
> of view and the more he labours the point the weaker his argument becomes
> and so dissipates its effect. It was George Bernard Shaw who once said of 
> a
> critic " He has lost the art of conversation, but, unfortunatly not the
> power of speech!"
> A sentiment that would apply in this case.I think I will contact someone 
> at
> Aydar who will review these postings and activities, and hopefully have 
> "a
> quiet word" and hopefully send him in the right direction.The Objects of
> Theosophy are clearly not understood by Annand. Let us hope he will
> reflect on the path he is taken, lets us hope he can read the sign posts.
> We must be patient with him, and show him kindness, from that he will 
> learn
> to understand. It is our duty to make him a Theosophist.
> cheers Iain
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky's writing was the cause of . . . the TS
> (that's the truth)
>
>
> Anand,
> Why would Blavatsky (if she could even have such control after death --
> which
> she denied was possible) have played into your hands and allowed you to 
> send
> that inflammatory subject line more than one time?
>
> Wouldn't it be more likely that it's your own Blavatsky-hating inner self
> that is pushing your send button?
>
> If so, your multiple posting and your apology appears to be another sly
> propaganda* ploy designed to cause dissension among theosophists and pit
> brother
> against brother. When are you going to stop this nonsense? By now, you
> have
> lost all your credibility and cannot convince any sincere theosophy 
> students
> that anything you say is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>
> Leonardo
>
> *Adolph Hitler's propagandist, Joseph Goebbels said, "To make people 
> believe
> a lie all you have to do is repeat it over and over again." Another of his
> tricks was to "imply a lie by telling the truth." It's the truth that
> since HPB
> was the founding cause of the TS, every future action of it could be
> attributed to that cause, even though no such action was intended by the
> founder. To
> the discerning reader, the wording of the original subject line assertion
> gives the lie away and exposes the evil intent. An intent of which the
> author
> reverses by accusing others of the same crime, i.e., that all students of
> HPB
> hate AB and CWL along with their pseudo theosophy. (Q.E.D.)
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/19/05 5:59:46 AM, AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org 
> writes:
>
>
> > I am sorry. Reply was not going, so I pressed button many times. It
> > appears that it sent same post many times. Blavatsky might have done
> > something.
> >
> > Anand Gholap
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@A..>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Cass,
> > >
> > > > To look outside of Leadbeater and Besant into other cults,
> > > >suggests that your spiritual needs are not being met by theformer.
> > > > Cass
> > >
> > > I read some books of Rajnish before I even heard of TS and
> > > Theosophy.
> > > But philosophy of many other organizations did not satisfy me.
> > > Later, I somehow came across Theosophical lodge. Then I read many
> > > books of Besant, Leadbeater, Clara Codd and some other authors,
> > they
> > > completely satisfied me. So now I am happy.
> > >
> > > Anand Gholap
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anand Gholap <AnandGholap@A...> wrote: Bart,
> > > > In the city where HQ of Rajnish is located, he is not criticized
> > > > much and they still have large number of followers. But as you
> > > said,
> > > > Osho Rajnish might still be criticized in some other parts of
> > the
> > > > world. Around 15 years back I bought and read some of his books,
> > > but
> > > > somehow I could not appreciate that much.
> > > > Even if I don't accept philosophy of some of other organizations
> > > > including that of Rajnish, I generally avoid to attack them.
> > > >
> > > > Anand Gholap
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Anand Gholap wrote:
> > > > > > Many educated people follow Osho. He is no more criticized
> > > much.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you educate a donkey, you still have a donkey. And he is
> > > > certainly
> > > > > criticized. He was a rapist and a CONVICTED bioterrorist.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bart
>
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