Theos-Talk Archives (December 2005 Message tt00199)

i'm starting to think Anand is leadbeater reincarnated. poor, poor him!!
what a bad karma a pedophile and a liar may have...
poor Anand..

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
>
> Anand,
> 
> When it comes to straightening out the truth or puching holes in
propaganda, 
> as HPB would agree, "manners and etiquettes" are for mealy mouthed
political 
> cowards.
> 
> I understand why you avoid replying with reasonable counter
arguments to 
> anyone who disagrees with you by stating irrefutable facts that
counteract your 
> overly repeated false and sly questions and propaganda like
assertions.   
> 
> It's a fact that in spite of such assertions, the TS was founded by
HPB under 
> sanction of the Masters, and that Besant and Leadbeater grabbed
control after 
> her death, distorted the ancient teachings, and attempted to make an 
> organized religion out of it with themselves as its High Priests.
> 
> Since you have no facts to base your belief in Leadbeater's veracity
and 
> motives or Besant's loyalty to the Masters on, all you can do is
criticize the 
> methods of writing of anyone who disagrees with you and isn't afraid
to call a 
> spade a spade without mincing words... As if such an ad hominem
response by you 
> makes all your unfounded assertions correct.   
> 
> That's simply a cop out... And, after listening to all your implied 
> denigration's of Blavatsky and the Masters over the past several
months, I stand by the 
> facts presented in my comments. Enough is enough. It's a shame that 
> newcomers to theosophy who come to this forum to learn the truth as
presented 
> directly by the Masters themselves through the medium of HPB are
bombarded with the 
> pseudo theosophy of late coming usurpers like AB, CWL and their new 
> proselytizers desiring to assume their roles.
> 
> However, none of this is to say that Leadbeater wasn't a knowledgeable 
> occultist, and except for a number of distortions, that his writings
aren't 
> worthwhile reading for those interested in the subject. From my
point of view, such 
> study allows one to make comparisons with many other occultists'
writings, 
> including those of Blavatsky Digging out and analyzing where he
goes wrong and 
> violates fundamental principles, can teach one a great deal.    
> 
> Leon Maurer
> 
> In a message dated 12/18/05 4:38:48 AM, AnandGholap@A... writes:
> 
> > Leon,
> > If you don't agree with me, I don't mind. You are free to believe or
> > not to believe in any leader or philosophy. But your language is
> > generally so fanatic and without consideration of manners and
> > etiquettes that I would rather hesitate to discuss philosophical
> > issues with you. There are few other individuals who have same
> > fanatic language pattern, so I simply ignore their messages. If
> > anybody wants me to discuss with him, he will have to first write in
> > the language of gentleman, otherwise get ignored.
> > 
> > Anand Gholap
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Anand, who are you kidding? Why don't you get real and stop
this endless
> > > proselytizing of pseudo theosophy and its late coming teachers who 
> > > captured the original Theosophical Society with their conjured up 
> > messianic
> > > religion and false Christ?  
> > >
> > > It's too bad you apparently have never studied the fundamental 
> > theosophical 
> > > teachings -- both contemporary with HPB and the Masters, or its
     
> > earlier
> > > teachers from Porphyry and Plotinus on and Hermes, Pythagorus,
Plato, etc. 
> > 
> > >before them -- in sufficient depth to recognize the gross
distortians made 
> > to 
> > > the occultbasis of these teachings by Annie Besant, Charles W.
Leadbeater
> >  
> > > and Alice Bailey... Apparently, to justify their own personal
religious 
> > beliefs 
> > > as well as their personal desires for organizational power,
pomp and 
> > ceremony.  
> > >
> > > Ancient "Divine Wisdom," or "Theosophy" as it is called today,
has been
> > > around since long before C. W. Leadbeater came on the scene, andwas 
> > > "gifted" to the contemporary world by H. P. Blavatsky when she,
as the 
> > direct
> > > agent of the "Masters" of Wisdom, initiated and founded the
Theosophical
> > > Society in 1875, wrote "Isis Unveiled," and later, "The Secret
Doctrine" 
> > (based
> > > on the "Book of Dzyan") and "Voice of the Silence" (both
excerpted from 
> > the
> > > original "Divine Wisdom" of the ancient "Book of the Golden
Precepts.")
> > >
> > > So, it sounds like you are blowing your horn for a bigoted
distorter of 
> > that
> > > "Divine Wisdom" who -- in spite of the denials by the Masters
and the 
> > directly
> > > opposed, anti organized religion teachings of H.P.B. (the real
founder of 
> > the
> > > Theosophical Society) -- turned it into a personalized God led,
messianic
> > > religion (Liberal Catholic Church) that would satisfy the Christian 
> > majority of
> > > T.S. members and their non member counterparts only, or convert
all other 
> > blind
> > > believers in a personal God, into such a hierarchically ruled,
dictatorial
> > > religion as the LCC ... Much like the Christianized version of
Theosophy
> > > described by Alice Bailey -- that would, ultimately, when in
power as a 
> > "New 
> > > World Order" government, either convert all others to their
version of 
> > slavish,
> > > messianic ruled Christianity, or physically enforce their
religiously 
> > oriented laws
> > > under penalty of both pre and after death retribution.  
> > >
> > > Such a condition should be anathema to all true theosophists,
whom, like
> > > Blavatsky and the "American Founders" would believe in a pure
democratic 
> > > society based on individual liberty, equality and brotherhood --
totally
> > > separate from any organized religion and its blind, authoritatively 
> > enforced
> > > beliefs that might try to enforce brotherhood by edict rather than 
> > brotherhood
> > > by individual choice based on a true understanding of the eternal 
> > verities.
> > >
> > > In this light, C. W. Leadbeater, who gifted us nothing more than
a twisted
> > > pseudo theosophy that countermanded the fundamental and universal
> > > teachings of all the real "Masters of Wisdom" and their direct
agents, 
> > could be
> > > considered as a "Satan" rather than a "Santa Clause." </:-[>  
> > >
> > > Leonardo
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 12/17/05 5:31:49 AM, AnandGholap@A... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > How does it sound
> > > > "C.W. Leadbeater, a Santa Claus who gifted Divine Wisdom to
the world"
> > > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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