Theos-Talk Archives (December 2005 Message tt00031)

December 6, 2005

Dear Cindy:

Some notes below, please

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Chapman 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:01 AM
To: dalval14@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: CATACLYSMS and APOCALYPSE

Dear Dallas,

CC	Thank you so much for all the references. I have been reading them
and they
are very interesting to me.  


I personally believe that Jesus did exist, but not as a personal saviour for
anyone but himself.  

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DTB	He did live and lives now. No one dies and is wiped out. Likewise,
each of us has to "save themselves " using virtue as our guide. There is no
alternative except as you suggest, the path of evil and of lies. 

According to THEOSOPHY ( the universal ancient science of right living) each
of us has in our own ATMA (our 7th, the highest principle, a share of and in
the UNIVERSAL ONE GOD) an ever-living equivalent of Jesus the WISE and
COMPASSIONATE ADEPT.  

We are each of us potentially a "Jesus."  

But we have to determine and WILL to live as HE did. That is difficult.

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CC	I also believe that he was very frustrated with all the need for
secrecy surrounding the esoteric teachings.  


DTB	Agreed. THEOSOPHY teaches we each have the same access to "esoteric
teachings."  
They are not hidden. They are simply the ethics and morals of right and
fraternal living. They have to be practised ALL THE TIME. Here they are, in
a brief way:


QUESTION	"Virtue leads only to heaven. Wisdom leads to union with
the whole.¡± What is here meant by virtue?

ANSWER	¡ªAccording to the dictionaries the radical meaning of virtue is:
strength. Other meanings are: bravery, efficacy, valor, moral goodness, the
abstaining from vice, or conforming to the moral law. In this last sense the
word is used. 

There is nothing synonymous between virtue and wisdom. 

In the Christian scheme "fear of God" is the beginning of wisdom. There is
the mere wisdom of erudition, but properly wisdom means having knowledge or
to know; or skilled in arts, science, or philosophy, or in magic and
divination. (2 Samuel XIV.) 

[DTB	I ask: why should one "fear" GOD ? If the Law of the UNIVERSE is
justice, then the "hands that smite us are our own." A wise One said:

"Cease from evil. Do good. That is the "Way." ]

In homely language, then, to be virtuous is to be good; to be wise is to
possess knowledge.

If the kingdom of God is the perfectness of evolution, then knowledge is
what leads to it sooner than virtue. Of course these terms are used with the
theosophical scheme of man and nature in view, and in that light it appears
that in addition to virtue we must have knowledge, for a life of virtue
leads to pleasures of devachan, with good karma for next life and thus
through many lives; but knowledge added to virtue shows how to use virtue
and its results in finding and treading the path leading to the Supreme
which is ALL." F. Ans., pp. 27-8


"¡°Subtle perception, spiritual knowledge, right judgment, patience,
truth, self-mastery; pleasure and pain, prosperity and adversity; birth and
death, danger and security, fear and equanimity, satisfaction, restraint of
body and mind, alms-giving, inoffensiveness, zeal and glory and ignominy,
all these the various dispositions of creatures come from me. ¡­ 
I am the origin of all; all things proceed from me; believing me to be thus,
the wise gifted with spiritual wisdom worship me; their very hearts and
minds are in me; enlightening one another and constantly speaking of me,
they are full of enjoyment and satisfaction. To them thus always devoted to
me, who worship me with love, I give that mental devotion by which they come
to me. For them do I out of my compassion, standing within their hearts,
destroy the darkness which springs from ignorance by the brilliant lamp of
spiritual discernment."  
pp. 70-1


"My devotee who is free from enmity, well-disposed towards all
creatures, merciful, wholly exempt from pride and selfishness, the same in
pain and pleasure, patient of wrongs, contented, constantly devout,
self-governed, firm in resolves, and whose mind and heart are fixed on me
alone, is dear unto me. He also is my beloved of whom mankind is not afraid
and who has no fear of man; who is free from joy, from despondency and the
dread of harm. 

My devotee who is unexpecting, pure, just, impartial, devoid of fear, and
who hath forsaken interest in the results of action, is dear unto me. He
also is worthy of my love who neither rejoiceth nor findeth fault, who
neither lamenteth nor coveteth, and being my servant hath forsaken interest
in both good and evil results. 

He also is my beloved servant who is equal-minded to friend or foe, the same
in honor and dishonor, in cold and heat, in pain and pleasure, and is
unsolicitous about the event of things; to whom praise and blame are as one;
who is of little speech, content with whatever cometh to pass, who hath no
fixed habitation, and whose heart, full of devotion, is firmly fixed. But
those who seek this sacred ambrosia¨D the religion of immortality¨D even as
I have explained it, full of faith, intent on me above all others, and
united to devotion, are my most beloved." 
pp. 91-2


¡°Fearlessness, sincerity, assiduity in devotion, generosity,
self-restraint, piety, and alms-givings, study, mortification, and
rectitude; harmlessness, veracity, and freedom from anger, resignation,
equanimity, and not speaking of the faults of others, universal compassion,
modesty, and mildness; patience, power, fortitude, and purity, discretion,
dignity, unrevengefulness, and freedom from conceit¨D these are the marksof
him whose virtues are of a godlike character. ...Those, ...who are born
with demoniacal dispositions are marked by hypocrisy, pride, anger,
presumption, harshness of speech, and ignorance. The destiny of those whose
attributes are godlike is final liberation.¡± p. 110


¡°Honoring the gods, the teachers, and the wise, purity, rectitude,
chastity, and harmlessness are called mortification of the body. 

Gentle speech which causes no anxiety, which is truthful and friendly, and
diligence in the reading of the Scriptures, are said to be austerities of
speech. 

Serenity of mind, mildness of temper, silence, self-restraint, absolute
straightforwardness of conduct, are called mortification of the mind. This
threefold mortification or austerity practiced with supreme faith and by
those who long not for a reward is of the highest spiritual quality. ¡°
pp. 117-8

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CC	It is that very secrecy that breeds mistrust, and mystery, which in
turn in my opinion gives birth to religion, and religion as is practiced now
is slavery, and worse in my opinion, it is deliberate slavery. Not by the
elder brothers mind you. I think they understood his frustrations, but they
also knew that the time was not right to accomplish what he wanted to
accomplish, but he did lay the ground work for what will eventually come.


CC	But I also believe that there are "other" forces at work. This is a
dual cosmos, that is the law.  

So it only stands to reason that for every elder brother who desires to help
to free mankind there is the opposite who desires to enslave. I think it
was they who helped to bring about the
corruption of his teachings, as well as the corruptions of the teachings of
many other great teachers.


DTB	Agreed, unfortunately there are those who lend their living to evil
methods. But, better still: Consider then, that an active and living "Elder
Brother" [The ATMA] resides inside us. We have to let Him/ IT run our
living. We have to deny our living to any and all evil. Otherwise, we are
hypocrites. We will not make any true progress. And this I would consider
an "esoteric truth." 


CC	I do very much believe in reincarnation. I have an understanding of
how it works and there is no doubt that we all have something that we are
reaping the rewards or corrections for, or else we'd not be here.

CC	Tell me Dallas, if you would, what do you know about elementals?


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DTB	At first hand I know little, but THEOSOPHY offers much. I will send
you some of that to consider. (below)

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As always warmest regards,

Cindy

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ELEMENTALS

 
ELEMENTALS - KARMA

STUDENT. - Permit me to ask you again, Are elementals beings?

Sage. - It is not easy to convey to you an idea of the constitution of
elementals; strictly speaking, they are not, because the word elementals has
been used in reference to a class of them that have no being such as mortals
have. It would be better to adopt the terms used in Indian books, such as
Gandharvas, Bhuts, Pisachas, Devas, and so on. Many things well known about
them cannot be put into ordinary language.


Student. - Do you refer to their being able to act in the fourth dimension
of space?

Sage. - Yes, in a measure. Take the tying in an endless cord of many knots -
a thing often done at spiritist s¨¦ances. That is possible to him who knows
more dimensions of space than three. No three-dimensional being can do this;
and as you understand "matter," it is impossible for you to conceive how
such a knot can be tied or how a solid ring can be passed through the matter
of another solid one. These things can be done by elementals.


Student. - Are they not all of one class?

Sage. - No. There are different classes for each plane, and division of
plane, of nature. Many can never be recognized by men. And those pertaining
to one plane do not act in another. You must remember, too, that these
"planes" of which we are speaking interpenetrate each other.


Student. - Am I to understand that a clairvoyant or clairaudient has to do
with or is affected by a certain special class or classes of elementals?

Sage. - Yes. A clairvoyant can only see the sights properly belonging to the
planes his development reaches to or has opened. And the elementals in those
planes show to the clairvoyant only such pictures as belong to their plane.
Other parts of the idea or thing pictured may be retained in planes not yet
open to the seer. For this reason few clairvoyants know the whole truth.


Student. - Is there not some connection between the Karma of man and
elementals?
 
Sage. - A very important one. The elemental world has become a strong factor
in the Karma of the human race. 

Being unconscious, automatic, and photographic, it assumes the complexion of
the human family itself. In the earlier ages, when we may postulate that man
had not yet begun to make bad Karma, the elemental world was more friendly
to man because it had not received unfriendly impressions. 

But so soon as man began to become ignorant, unfriendly to himself and the
rest of creation, the elemental world began to take on exactly the same
complexion and return to humanity the exact pay, so to speak, due for the
actions of humanity. Or, like a donkey, which, when he is pushed against,
will push against you. Or, as a human being, when anger or insult is
offered, feels inclined to return the same. So the elemental world, being
unconscious force, returns or reacts upon humanity exactly as humanity acted
towards it, whether the actions of men were done with the knowledge of these
laws or not. 

So in these times it has come to be that the elemental world has the
complexion and action which is the exact result of all the actions and
thoughts and desires of men from the earliest times. And, being unconscious
and only acting according to the natural laws of its being, the elemental
world is a powerful factor in the workings of Karma. And so long as mankind
does not cultivate brotherly feeling and charity towards the whole of
creation, just so long will the elementals be without the impulse to act for
our benefit. But so soon and wherever man or men begin to cultivate
brotherly feeling and love for the whole of creation, there and then the
elementals begin to take on the new condition.


Student. - How then about the doing of phenomena by adepts?

Sage. - The production of phenomena is not possible without either the aid
or disturbance of elementals. 

Each phenomenon entails the expenditure of great force, and also brings on a
correspondingly great disturbance in the elemental world, which disturbance
is beyond the limit natural to ordinary human life. It then follows that, as
soon as the phenomenon is completed, the disturbance occasioned begins to be
compensated for. 

The elementals are in greatly excited motion, and precipitate themselves in
various directions. 

They are not able to affect those who are protected. But they are able, or
rather it is possible for them, to enter into the sphere of unprotected
persons, and especially those persons who are engaged in the study of
occultism. And then they become agents in concentrating the karma of those
persons, producing troubles and disasters often, or other difficulties which
otherwise might have been so spread over a period of time as to be not
counted more than the ordinary vicissitudes of life. 

This will go to explain the meaning of the statement that an Adept will not
do a phenomenon unless he sees the desire in the mind of another lower or
higher Adept or student; for then there is a sympathetic relation
established, and also a tacit acceptance of the consequences which may
ensue. 

It will also help to understand the peculiar reluctance often of some
persons, who can perform phenomena, to produce them in cases where we may
think their production would be beneficial; and also why they are never done
in order to compass worldly ends, as is natural for worldly people to
suppose might be done, - such as procuring money, transferring objects,
influencing minds, and so on.

Student. - Accept my thanks for you instruction.

Sage. - May you reach the terrace of enlightenment!

Path, June, 1888
 
 
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ELEMENTALS - HOW THEY ACT


Student. - Is there any reason why you do not give me a more detailed
explanation of the constitution of elementals and the modes by which they
work?

Sage. - Yes. There are many reasons. Among others is your inability, shared
by most of the people of the present day, to comprehend a description of
things that pertain to a world with which you are not familiar and for which
you do not yet possess terms of expression. 

Were I to put forth these descriptions, the greater part would seem vague
and incomprehensible on one hand, while on the other many of them would
mislead you because of the interpretation put on them by yourself. Another
reason is that, if the constitution, field of action, and method of action
of elementals were given out, there are some minds of a very inquiring and
peculiar bent who soon could find out how to come into communication with
these extraordinary beings, with results disadvantageous to the community as
well as the individuals.


Student. - Why so? Is it not well to increase the sum of human knowledge,
even respecting most recondite parts of nature; or can it be that the
elementals are bad?

Sage. - It is wise to increase the knowledge of nature's laws, but always
with proper limitations. All things will become known some day. Nothing can
be kept back when men have reached the point where they can understand. But
at this time it would not be wise to give them, for the asking, certain
knowledge that would not be good for them. That knowledge relates to
elementals, and it can for the present be kept back from the scientists of
today. So long as it can be retained from them, it will be, until they and
their followers are of a different stamp.

As to the moral character of elementals, they have none; they are colorless
in themselves - except some classes - and merely assume the tint, so to
speak, of the person using them.


Student. - Will our scientific men one day, then, be able to use these
beings, and, if so, what will be the manner of it? Will their use be
confined to only the good men of the earth?

Sage. - The hour is approaching when all this will be done. But the
scientists of today are not the men to get this knowledge. They are only
pigmy forerunners who sow seed and delve blindly in no thoroughfares. They
are too small to be able to grasp these mighty powers, but they are not wise
enough to see that their methods will eventually lead to Black Magic in
centuries to come when they shall be forgotten.

When elemental forces are used similarly as we now see electricity and other
natural energies adapted to various purposes, there will be "war in heaven."

Good men will not alone possess the ability to use them. Indeed, the sort
of man you now call "good" will not be the most able. 

The wicked will, however, pay liberally for the power of those who can wield
such forces, and at last the Supreme Masters, who now guard this knowledge
from children, will have to come forth. Then will ensue a dreadful war, in
which, as has ever happened, the Masters will succeed and the evil doers be
destroyed by the very engines, principalities, and powers prostituted to
their own purposes during years of intense selfish living. But why dilate on
this; in these days it is only a prophecy.


Student. - Could you give me some hints as to how the secrets of the
elemental plane are preserved and prevented from being known? Do these
guardians of whom you speak occupy themselves in checking elementals, or
how? Do they see much danger of divulgement likely in those instances where
elemental action is patent to the observer?

Sage. - As to whether they check elementals or not need not be enquired
into, because, while that may be probable, it does not appear very necessary
where men are unsuspicious of the agency causing that phenomena. It is much
easier to throw a cloud over the investigator's mind and lead him off to
other results of often material advantage to himself and men, while at the
same time acting as a complete preventive or switch which turns his energies
and application into different departments.

It might be illustrated thus: Suppose that a number of trained occultists
are set apart to watch the various sections of the world where the mental
energies are in fervid operation. It is quite easy for them to see in a
moment any mind that is about reaching a clue into the elemental world; and,
besides, imagine that trained elementals themselves constantly carry
information of such events. 

Then, by superior knowledge and command over this peculiar world, influences
presenting various pictures are sent out to that enquiring mind. In one case
it may be a new moral reform, in another a great invention is revealed, and
such is the effect that the man's whole time and mind are taken up by this
new thing which he fondly imagines is his own. Or, again, it would be easy
to turn his thoughts into a certain rut leading far from the dangerous clue.
In fact, the methods are endless.


Student. - Would it be wise to put into the hands of truly good,
conscientious men who now use aright what gifts they have, knowledge of and
control over elementals, to be used on the side of right?

Sage. - The Masters are the judges of what good men are to have this power
and control. You must not forget that you cannot be sure of the character at
bottom of those whom you call "truly good and conscientious men." Place them
in the fire of the tremendous temptation which such power and control would
furnish, and most of them would fail. 

But the Masters already know the characters of all who in any way approach
to a knowledge of these forces, and They always judge whether such a man is
to be aided or prevented. They are not working to make these laws and forces
known, but to establish right doctrine, speech, and action, so that the
characters and motives of men shall undergo such radical changes as to fit
them for wielding power in the elemental world. And that power is not now
lying idle, as you infer, but is being always used by those who will never
fail to rightly use it.


Student. - Is there any illustration at hand showing what the people of the
present day would do with these extraordinary energies?

Sage. - A cursory glance at men in these western worlds engaged in the mad
rush after money, many of them willing to do anything to get it, and at the
strain, almost to warfare, existing between laborers and users of labor,
must show you that, were either class in possession of power over the
elemental world, they would direct it to the furtherance of the aims now
before them. Then look at Spiritualism. 

It is recorded in the Lodge - photographed, you may say, by the doers of the
acts themselves - that an enormous number of persons daily seek the aid of
mediums and their "spooks" merely on questions of business. Whether to buy
stocks, or engage in mining for gold and silver, to deal in lotteries, or to
make new mercantile contracts. Here on one side is a picture of a coterie of
men who obtained at a low figure some mining property on the advice of
elemental spirits with fictitious names masquerading behind mediums; these
mines were then to be put upon the public at a high profit, inasmuch as the
"spirits" promised metal. Unhappily for the investors, it failed. But such a
record is repeated in many cases.

Then here is another where in a great American city - the karma being
favorable - a certain man speculated in stocks upon similar advice,
succeeded, and, after giving the medium liberal pay, retired to what is
called enjoyment of life. Neither party devoted either himself or the money
to the benefiting of humanity.

There is no question of honor involved, nor any as to whether money ought or
ought not to be made. It is solely one as to the propriety, expediency, and
results of giving suddenly into the hands of a community unprepared and
without an altruistic aim, such abnormal power. Take hidden treasure, for
instance. There is much of it in hidden places, and many men wish to get it.
For what purpose? For the sake of ministering to their luxurious wants and
leaving it to their equally unworthy descendants. Could they know the
mantram controlling the elementals that guard such treasure, they would use
it at once, motive or no motive, the sole object being the money in the
case.


Student. - Do some sorts of elementals have guard over hidden treasure?

Sage. - Yes, in every instance, whether never found or soon discovered. The
causes for the hiding and the thoughts of the hider or loser have much to do
with the permanent concealment or subsequent finding.


Student. - What happens when a large sum of money, say, such as Captain
Kidd's mythical treasure, is concealed, or when a quantity of coin is lost?

Sage. - Elementals gather about it. They have many and curious modes of
causing further concealment. They even influence animals to that end. This
class of elementals seldom, if ever, report at your spiritualistic s¨¦ances.
As time goes on the forces of air and water still further aid them, and
sometimes they are able even to prevent the hider from recovering it. Thus
in course of years, even when they may have altogether lost their hold on
it, the whole thing becomes shrouded in mist, and it is impossible to find
anything.


Student. - This in part explains why so many failures are recorded in the
search for hidden treasure. But how about the Masters; are they prevented
thus by these weird guardians?

Sage. - They are not. The vast quantities of gold hidden in the earth and
under the sea are at their disposal always. They can, when necessary for
their purposes, obtain such sums of money on whom no living being or
descendants of any have the slightest claim, as would appall the senses of
your greatest money getter. They have but to command the very elementals
controlling it, and They have it. This is the basis for the story of
Aladdin's wonderful lamp, more true than you believe.


Student. - Of what use then is it to try, like the alchemists, to make gold?
With the immense amount of buried treasure thus easily found when you
control its guardian, it would seem a waste of time and money to learn
transmutation of metals.

Sage. - The transmutation spoken of by the real alchemists was the
alteration of the base alloy in man's nature. At the same time, actual
transmutation of lead into gold is possible. And many followers of the
alchemists, as well as of the pure-souled Jacob Boehme, eagerly sought to
accomplish the material transmuting, being led away by the glitter of
wealth. 

But an Adept has no need for transmutation, as I have shown you. The stories
told of various men who are said to have produced gold from base metals for
different kings in Europe are wrong explanations. Here and there Adepts have
appeared, assuming different names, and in certain emergencies they supplied
or used large sums of money. But instead of its being the product of
alchemical art, it was simply ancient treasure brought to them by elementals
in their service and that of the Lodge. Raymond Lully or Robert Flood might
have been of that sort, but I forbear to say, since I cannot claim
acquaintance with those men.

Student. - I thank you for your instruction.

Sage. - May you reach the terrace of enlightenment!

Path, July, 1888

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[DTB	There is much more if interested.]

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Original Message ----- 
From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "'Cindy 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: CATACLYSMS and APOCALYPSE


December 5, 2005

Dear Cindy:

You ask:

",,,demanding religious worship, or great catastrophe. It
appears that the message is changing. Is it due to the fact that so many
people are now strongly believing in the "end times" or apocalypse or what
ever we would like to call it? I can see definite changes coming to the
earth, but not what I would consider the "end". "


THEOSOPHY links cataclysms with KARMA -- the universal law of compensation.
"As ye sow, so shall you also reap."

There is no reason for a world-wide apocalyptic catastrophe, and none is
forecast that I am aware of. There does, in recent months, seem to be an
intensification of large earthquakes, cyclones, hurricanes, typhoons, etc,
And I saw a scientific forecast saying that we may expect an intensification
in the coming 11 years -- probably having to do with one of the Sun cycles
that relate to our entire system and also to our Earth. Our civilization
seems to be inviting rehabilitation in certain areas.


Ask yourself why this wide-spread fear?

What have individuals done secretly that might demand a purge of such
enormous magnitude?

Have we in our earlier life done anything so bad that we are required to
undergo any unreasonable stress?

Does anyone seriously think that penance and sacrifice now -- in terms of
material goods and new disciplines -- are in any way compensatory ? If they
do, then they ought to search for the CAUSES that can do this and cease from
generating them as of now.

Do you know about Karma -- in general ?

Do you know about Catastrophes and their cycles?

Do you know about the attraction of certain people to or from areas of
catastrophe?


Let me know and I will send you some material on these to consider.


A careful study of universal history shows: there are some general and
invariable rules of Nature (our World and Universe), These are not confined
to, or defined by, any one religion.

Some examples ---


1 Nothing happens without a cause. The name given to this law is
KARMA [action and reaction]. It is always compensation, always seeks to
restore 'balance.' It is educative and not punitive. The same law operates
whether it be a case of "good," or "evil."

2 Every atom of life exists and progresses under this single, uniform
law. What does not get balanced in this life may be adjusted in a future
one.

3 No atom, no soul, no spirit can ever be destroyed. All these
"Life-units" are as ancient as the "beginning of Time." This means we have
been living together for billions of years.

4 Each human, by their free choice, makes causes: good and bad.

5 Everyone has an innate and ineradicable sense of VIRTUE. [The
criminal pretends to be virtuous. Why?]

6 The rules and laws of morality and ethics are the same for all,
regardless of religion or politics. The "golden rule" prevails everywhere:
"Do unto other as ye would have them do unto you."

7 It is in fact a working, sensitive, UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD.

8 All great prophets in every age have taught the same rules and
ethics of living.

9 There is but one "God" in the Universe. IT IS THE UNIVERSE. WE LIVE
IN IT. People give IT many names.

10 Mankind is a great family of Immortal Spiritual Souls. They live
from life to life, ALWAYS PROGRESSING. This is called reincarnation.

11 The ultimate goal for all is WISDOM.

12 Wisdom teaches us compassion and continued care for and assistance
to others - our brothers and sisters in this enormous scheme.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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