Theos-Talk Archives (October 2005 Message tt00006)

10/2/2005 12:48 PM

RE: Proof of Adepts Value of Theosophy

Dear Gerry:


While this may sound extreme (as claim or statement), yet it carries the
sense in which I write of the value of THEOSOPHY. And of the reason for
respect of the MASTERS OF WISDOM.

You may have noted how in the MAHATMA LETTERS [ pp. 33, 43 (Barker Edn.)] ,
the great respect they offer to the Buddha, calling Him their Patron. 

Hence the value of making strictly available to all students, new or old of
the "ORIGINAL TEACHINGS."  

I have mop objections to comments being made on those teachings IF SO
LABELED. [ I mean advising clearly IN ADVANCE that editorial changes have
been introduced, and where and why so done.]

I object when I discover that changes have been introduced in so-called
reproductions of the "original Teachings." The first of such
NON-ADVERTISED changes, was the reprint, in 1893 of the SECRET DOCTRINE. 

Both Adyar and Pasadena THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY s have done this in the past,
and both have eventually returned to printing the ORIGINAL again.


Here is another reason:


“WISDOM RELIGION. The one religion which underlies all the
now-existing creeds. 

That “faith” which, being primordial, and revealed directly to human kind by
their progenitors and informing EGOS (though the Church regards them as the
“fallen angels”), required no “grace”, nor blind faith to believe, for it
was knowledge. (See “Gupta Vidyâ”, Hidden Knowledge.) 

It is on this Wisdom Religion that Theosophy is based.”
T Glos 371-2

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This does not preclude the WISDOM of Buddhism, Hinduism, Brahmanism, etc.,
which all can be traced back to the ORIGINAL Wisdom Religion -- the SANATANA
DHAMMO (DHARMA) of antiquity.

Our modern exposition by HPB of the Masters' Message is a continuation of
the same ancient teachings. 

Comparison produces and assures us of such verification.

Best wishes,

Dallas
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Schueler [mailto:gschueler@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:59 PM
To: Theosophy Study List
Subject: Proof of Adepts

ZD The existence of Adepts can not be proven unless an Adept desires
it to be so. Since Theosophists can not prove and demonstate such as actual
FACT, does it mean it is not to be respected?  

DTB: Many other examples of that in which can not be demonstated as actual
FACT can be presented. I would appreciate an expounding of what is meant by
the above statement.  

An Adept is one who realizes the I-Not-I Monad and that the entire universe
is an expression of this monad. Such a one can consciously make changes in
his own Not-I or world. But so long as we are embodied, we share our worlds
with others, and so making changes in one world always has karmic effects
in the monadic world's of others who share it. Each Adept has a choice.
They can deliberately avoid making any significant changes and let karmic
forces run themselves out, as Ramakrishna did at the end of the 18th
century, or they can make changes and thus reveal themselves to others, as
many do. Those who remain in the background, making no significant changes,
often go through life unknown and unnoticed. Those who choose to make
changes and reveal themselves to others must pay the karmic price for doing
so, as HPB's Adepts, and many others, have done.
 

DTB I see as methods of proof:  
(1) testimony [ found in numerous accounts of personal witnesses ]
(2) coherence of information offered to be considered – in content,
logic, support from other reliable sources.
(3) lack of any enforcement, or any promises of securing personal
preference or powers.
dtb 

Eye-witness testimony is usually unreliable, but sometimes it is all we
have. Information, exoteric knowledge such as the original writings, does
not validate Adepts, and could have been written by a non-Adept who was
highly intelligent and had access to libraries. The information contained
in the original writings is about as consistent as the Bible or Koran. In
short, there are conflicts when we make literal interpretations. Failure to
promise rewards is itself no guarantee of Adepts. If these three methods of
"proof" were valid, then everyone today would believe in Adepts. Adepts
generally are not interested in proving themselves to non-believers. They
do, however, have an interest in helping those who are ready to see them
for what they are.

Personally, I believe in them because because I can see no reasonable
alternative in light of my experiences. 

Jerry S.



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