Theos-Talk Archives (June 2005 Message tt00587)

Ceasr, thank you for explaining your thoughts.
Now I understand better what you meant.

You will like the book "The Hitler/Hess Deception" by British historian 
Martin Allen.
(The British historians were generally always much fairer about Germany than 
the Americans).
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/000714119X/qid=1119983227/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8418018-9892867?v=glance&s=books
Allen found amazing British documents, eyes only classified.

But the officials overlooked that the British Foreign Office had copies of 
them and these were forgotten in the British States Archives and not 
classified!
Allen says in effect that according to this newly discovered documents 
history about the beginning of WW II has to be rewritten.
Britain - writes Allen - is solemn responsible for outbreak - not Germany.

He also publishes the German 7-point peace plan, which looks altruistic from 
a theosophical point of view.
This plan was denied by the London war-mongers around Churchill and his dark 
lodges.

As you mention Japan. You should try to get Japan's surrender declaration.
The last sentence is a strange hymn to Germany. It is something like 
(writing from memory):
"We know that Germany has not yet fulfilled her mission. We'll wait and 
suffer until the day when the German people stand up again like the Phoenix 
from the ashes and fight again on our side for our liberty."
Strange, not?

As to raping women etc. it was official policy and conduct of the Red Army 
(orders by Jewish commissairs like Ilja Ehrenburg), also in US Army.
So far I know the German Army was the only one which not only prohibited it 
orally, but also pratical, that is drum head court martial by return when 
cases occured, it had also a spiritual policy, of which I have a copy. But 
that does not mean that no crime ever happened. It only says that the 
officials ordered it only not (in opposite to the Rotschild's Red Army and 
US Army), but ordered the spiritual opposite.

How much the warfare propaganda was in the heads of the people of the time 
is best shown by an accident on a known theosophist: Mrs Elsie Benjamin, a 
British pupil in Point Loma Mystery School and secretary to Gottfried de 
Purucker. In the early 1980'ies she was the first time in Berlin to start 
her Berlin lecture tour, which she repeated the following years. When they 
talked with the German theosophists
once she spoke with an overtaken voice: "Your German are really normal 
people! In fact, you are the same people as we! When war broke out I, and 
many around me, believed what we heard: That you are beast, not human, apes 
which must be killed, lunatic people which needed to be bombed to health! 
Had I only knew before what the Germans are, I would have never allowed our 
terror bombings and destruction of your cities!"

Can you imagine, what hate was in the minds of people only two generations 
ago?"

Keep in mind, that the plans to attack Germany did appear in London FM 
Lodges from 1870 on. In 1896 the situation was so serious that Katherine 
Tingley in London warned against a world war. In 1907 Britain began to place 
huge weapon depots in "neutral" Belgium. In 1919 Lenin at the 3rd 
Internationale in Moscow proclaimed "the next world war" and the 
jewish-boslhewistic revolution began in Bavaria.
That all happened BEFORE the big H came into the scene and became a 
politician.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cesar joanino" <adviser77@msn.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Are Terror and Torture American culture?


In my opinion when The German Wermacht is fighting the Allied Invasion of
their Country and to put end to the Third Reich of hitler is not Genocide or
Barbarism but an act of defense of protecting their Property their Peopl
from death and destruction..they comitted Genocide when in the Process of
retreating they plundered executes people of etnic Grous Rape womans etc.
Sadly this great Nation has to suffer the Karma of being defeated,occupied
but still,like japan they recovered and become Industrial Giants of our time
this is because this race are in my opinion highly evolve and like others
are destined to shape the future of this World-

>From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding@online.de>
>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Theos-World Are Terror and Torture American culture?
>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:25:39 +0200
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>German tv (ARD) just showed a video, where five members of US Military
>Intelligence (from Bataillon 302, Wiesbaden, Germany) replayed torture
>scenes from Abu Ghraib.
>They used a backpack as prisoner, beating it, jumping on right, rigged up
>with a knife and said: "This is what happened there!"
>German tv showed this video US Army officials. The boss (a Colonel or so)
>said:
>"It's like wrestling or football, it's part of the culture!"
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>I conclude: When US soldiers attack innocent people, it's called culture,
>when German soldiers defended their people against Allied genocide, they
>call it Nazi barbarism.
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>What is the theosophical position to it? Is cant part of the American
>culture?
>Frank
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