Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00626)

Dear Nigel,
I think we must agree to disagree, as, my reading sees that the Theosophist is saying

"to put it more clearly, 
since Spirit and matter are one, 
being the two opposite poles of the universal manifested substance"

Spirit and Matter are the two opposite poles of the SAME SUBSTANCE. As is Parabrahman and mulaprakriti. And the theosophist argues that only IN DIFFERENTATION is Spirit unable to claim that it is one with matter. However take away the differentiation and Spirit and Matter are one at the highest level. Perhaps at the lower level this cannot be claimed but the root cause appears to be of the same substance. I am referring to Primordial Matter (Mulaprakriti) and Primordial Spirit (Parabrahman) as being the same substance. Mulaprakriti being "worked on" by Akasa is the result of the will of Parabrahman upon Mulaprakriti and from Akasa life results. All emanating from the differentiation of itself. Parabrahman and Mulaprakriti are identical twins, different bodies but the same dna. 

Which as Judge and Purucker tell us "Life or energy is what we may call Parabrahman; the substance side or vehicular side is mulaprakriti.

The theosophist does not deny that they are one, but that as matter is transient and spirit is permanent, spirit cannot be realised while encased in matter.

Perhaps this is where the misunderstanding has taken place, as I see All as One, at the highest level, which is what I think Blake meant when he said 
Man has no body distinct from his soul; for that called body is a 
portion of the soul discerned by the senses, the chief inlets of soul in this age.

-William Blake

Please excuse the CAPS, I am not trying to make a point, but merely trying to emphasise, and my computer will not underline or bold type it.


Regards
Cass



nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Dear Cass
Another passage of interest perhaps from the Key.
"ENQUIRER. It follows, then, that there is, de facto, no man, but all 
is Spirit? 
THEOSOPHIST. You are mistaken. It thus follows that the union of 
Spirit with matter is but temporary; or, to put it more clearly, 
since Spirit and matter are one, being the two opposite poles of the 
universal manifested substance -- that Spirit loses its right to the 
name so long as the smallest particle and atom of its manifesting 
substance still clings to any form, the result of differentiation. To 
believe otherwise is blind faith. 
ENQUIRER. Thus it is on knowledge, not on faith, that you assert that 
the permanent principle, the Spirit, simply makes a transit through 
matter? 
THEOSOPHIST. I would put it otherwise and say -- we assert that the 
appearance of the permanent and one principle, Spirit, as matter is 
transient, and, therefore, no better than an illusion. 

Regards
Nigel


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote:
> "The first differentiation - speaking metaphysically as to time - 
is Spirit, with which appears Matter and Mind. Akasa is produced 
from Matter and Spirit, Will is the force of Spirit in action and 
Life is a resultant of the action of Akasa, moved by Spirit, upon 
Matter.
> But the Matter here spoken of is not that which is vulgarly known 
as such. It is the real Matter which is always invisible and has 
sometimes been called Primordial Matter. In the Brahmanical system 
it is denominated Mulaprakriti. The ancient teaching always held, 
as is now admitted by Science, that we see or perceive only the 
phenomena but not the essential nature, body or being of matter." 
Oceans of Theosophy P15
> 
> "Life or energy is what we may call Parabrahman; the substance side 
or vehicular side is mulaprakriti. Wipe out mulaprakriti, if it were 
possible, which it is not, and you would have pure consciousness, 
pure energy; and that again is not possible, because energy and 
matter are two sides of the same thing as are force and substance. 
Our body is fundamentally mulaprakriti, root-substance, fundamental 
essence, manifesting in form. So is everything else - a star, a bit 
of wood, a stone, a beast, a bit of thistledown floating in the air. 
Its essence is mulaprakriti; and out in the abysmal spaces is 
mulaprakriti, but also Parabrahman. P.91 Fountain source of occultism.
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> Can anyone give me their interpretation of meaning here?
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> Cass
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