Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00396)

Maybe the following will help.  

The word AUM (by reading "in and around the words and between the lines" as 
HPB suggested) is a symbolical representation (in the shape of the letters, 
e.g., draw aum as three connected sine waves) of the first three cycles of 
radiation from the zero-point "spinergy" (G-force or primal angular momentum in an 
abstract spiral vortex circular motion or spin) of the Absolute zero-point 
void. For a slightly humorous look at how these 3 cycles are inherent in the 
eternal zero [laya] point, see: 
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/BuddhaBabyGordianKnot.gif

Thus, these initial three cycles of linear force, when expressed or radiated, 
form the first ideal triune 2D circular monadic field (first awakening or 1st 
logos) which -- since the point of origin also spins on its axis in a 
perpendicular direction to the original emanation of the G-force from its opposite 
poles -- weaves itself into 3 spherical fields to form the first fully manifest 
3D universal Monad (second Cosmic awakening or 2nd Logos).  

After this, as Mahat, Perusha and Prakriti are fully awake, the inner dual 
fields, empowered by the manifest energy of Fohat and Guided by Mahat, fractally 
involve in two more iterations until the first Fourteen universal fields are 
completed (final Cosmic awakening or 3rd logos).  

This completed Cosmic involution follows the formula in the Book of Dzyan, 
"The three, the one, the four, the one, the five, the twice seven, the sum 
total" -- representing the enfolded seven spiritual and the seven material levels 
of Cosmic consciousness at the third logos. This numerical series (3+1=4, 
4+1=5, 5+1=6 and 6+5+4=15, or 14 inner fields + 1 outer field) is represented by 
the three iterations of the initial involution's of the primal spherical field 
radiating out the initial Cosmic zero [laya] point spinergy. See:
http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html

>From the above, it's easy to see how the law of cycles governs all geometric  
involutonal and evolutionary processes 

After this last awakening, evolution of forms begin -- as spirtual ideations 
of all Cosmic forms carried by holographic interference patterns of vibration 
by the surrounding field of Maha-Atma" (or the "Cosmic intelligence") fall 
into physical "Matter" at the lowest energy level.  

Since each spherical field of consciousness is centered on a zero-point of 
self awareness, the separate fields of consciousness at the spiritual levelof 
the third logos, represents the seven higher Dhyan Chohans, whom -- along with 
their materialized bodies, or alter egos on the lower seven levels -- guide 
the initial evolution that forms the universe of galaxies, stars and planets, 
etc., we see and measure... (All of this, incidentally, actually appearing on 
the surfaces of their lowest, materialized fields or bodies.) From there, 
science can take over from metaphysics to determine the "physical" properties and 
further evolution on the physical plane. (But, always to be faced with 
paradoxes and anomalies until they understand the underlying metaphysical, seven fold 
field nature of everything -- including themselves :-) See:
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/TaiChiFldDiag-figure-2.gif
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg

Best wishes,

LHM


In a message dated 05/06/05 3:15:14 PM, cyberquest2004@yahoo.com writes:

>May I add a few further comments on this topic of
>Creation, which I consider as very important in our
>search for Truths.
>
>In my understanding, it is not possible to have a
>simple answer to the question of Creation. It’s not
>even possible to have an elaborate answer that both
>satisfies the mind and reflects the Truth (assuming
>that we know what the Truth is). I think that the mind
>is limited by nature and can never work out the truth
>about Creation through discussions and reasoning.
>However, I think that the mind is capable of seeing
>its own limitation through reasoning and therfore when
>this happens, it can free itself so that a higher
>consciousness in the person can grasp the reality in
>its totality, which is inexpressible in words.
>
>You asked “What happened before Creation?” The word
>“before” already indicates the presence of time. This
>means that time is present before Creation. Therefore
>time is not created. Could time then be an intrinsic
>part of the Creator? could it be permanent and
>absolute since it exists before Creation?
>
>However, if we think that time is a creation like
>matter and is created, then the whole reasoning
>process above seems to be absurd, i.e. the question of
>"what happened before time is created" is a
>contradiction in itself.
>
>If we consider that time is impermanent and created,
>and if we try to reason outside time then it does not
>matter whether Creation occurs in the past, present or
>future. In fact it could be that Creation is occurring
>at every moment and at this very moment. This reminds
>me of a talk I heard recently from a Buddhist monk. He
>was asked the question: “What happens after our
>death?” His answer was “Aren’t we dying and rebornat
>every moment?” and he went on to explain the death and
>re-birth process from different perspectives (e.g. in
>biology, cells in our body are dying and regenerated
>every moment - when an idea from one person is
>accepted by another person, isn’t the first person
>living through the 2nd person, even if the first
>person’s body has died? etc. This led to the important
>Buddhist teachings on the Noble Eight-Fold Path, and
>so on.). So if we observe and understand Creation at
>every moment around us, perhaps we will understand
>Creation in general. Once we have grasped this
>reality, perhaps we still can’t explain it to others
>and we might have to use an allegory in order to give
>a crude description of our understanding. Our story is
>then not much different from other stories. They all
>represent allegories, analogies, symbolism, ... and
>should not be taken literally, such as the deep sleep
>or deep meditation before Creation, the existence of
>God or the Logos as a human-like entity, the pondering
>on the self or the sound of the sacred word AUM, etc.
>On the latter aspect, the sound of AUM that sustains
>the worlds may just be a poetic description of the
>vibrations that sustain the 7 planes of existence. In
>the physical plane, if the particles in an atom cease
>to move, then the whole world would collapse into a
>Black Hole. That is my interpretation of the sentence
>(or other similar statements from other Teachers):
>“...as long as the force of the sound persists, the
>forms cohere. When the Logos, for instance, finishes
>the sounding of the sacred AUM, and the vibration
>ceases, then disintegration of the forms will
>ensue....”.
>
>Hope that I did not bother anybody with the above.
>
>Regards
>Philip N. 
>
>--- Etzion Becker <etvionbb@bezeqint.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Philip; You say below:
>> *The Logos recites the word "A U M" to create the
>> worlds, as described in 
>> AB's book. *
>> 
>> What we see here, that *something* is already there,
>> what is being called 
>> *Logos*.
>> But this means that State of Consciousness already
>> exists within God, The 
>> Absolute, Everything, whatever that is.
>> I am looking to a state before that, and I didn't
>> find yet another parallel 
>> version to that of Meher Baba's, who didn't channel
>> anyone. One of the 
>> things I found myself doing, is comparing the
>> teachings of various Masters. 
>> HPB teachings run often amazingly parallel to many
>> of MB teachings, 
>> sometimes same-like sentences, and we know that he
>> was not a scholar who was 
>> reading books. I certainly will consider what you
>> have offered, even I have 
>> a built in aversion for all this *channelling*
>> syndrome. It is appropriate 
>> in very rare occasions. The writer should take
>> spiritual responsibility and 
>> express his own understanding. Thanks, Etzion
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Philip N" <cyberquest2004@yahoo.com>
>> To: <study@blavatsky.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 7:48 AM
>> Subject: [bn-study] Re: The story of creation
>> 
>> 
>> >I forgot to mention the parallel between Meher
>> Baba's
>> > teachings and those of A. Bailey (or more
>> accurately
>> > Master D.K.):
>> >
>> > "...*wakes up* after a very long sleep...": "the
>> very
>> > long sleep" may refer to the pre-Creation
>> meditation
>> > of the Logos mentioned in the A. Bailey's book.
>> >
>> > "...then this *State* asks the eternal question:
>> "Who
>> > am I?"...": This may have the same meaning as: The
>> > Logos recites the word "A U M" to create the
>> worlds,
>> > as described in AB's book.
>> >
>> > Also the question "Who Am I?" and the word "AUM"
>> may
>> > have similar meanings, in their deepest essences.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Philip N.
>> >
>> > --- Philip N <cyberquest2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> May I offer another perspective on Creation to
>> >> complement your and Gopi's suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> Following are sentences extracted from Alice
>> >> Bailey's
>> >> book: "Initiation, Human and Solar" - Chapter XV
>> -
>> >> "The Giving of the Word"
>> >>
>> >> "The basis of all manifested phenomena is the
>> >> enunciated sound ..."
>> >>
>> >> "... it is said that the Logos produced the
>> worlds
>> >> through meditation...Then, when his meditation
>> was
>> >> concluded, ..., he brought into use a certain
>> Word
>> >> of
>> >> Power... "
>> >>
>> >> "... the Logos was committed the great Word of
>> Power
>> >> which produced our solar system, that Word which
>> is
>> >> called the "Sacred Word," or AUM...."
>> >>
>> >> "...as long as the force of the sound persists,
>> the
>> >> forms cohere. When the Logos, for instance,
>> finishes
>> >> the sounding of the sacred AUM, and the vibration
>> >> ceases, then disintegration of the forms will
>> >> ensue...."
>> >>
>> >> You can read the book on-line at:
>> >>
>> >
>>
>http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/initiation/init1059.html
>> >>
>> >> Most of us would immediately recognize that the
>> >> "Word"
>> >> described above seems to the same in essence as
>> That
>> >> mentioned in the Bible:
>> >>
>> >> "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
>> >> with
>> >> God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Philip N.
>> >>
>> >> PS. As some of us would also know, "Initiation,
>> >> Human
>> >> and Solar" is the first book transmitted by
>> Master
>> >> D.K. to Mrs Bailey and is still considered as one
>> of
>> >> the most important esoteric books on initiation.
>> >>
>> >> --- Etzion Becker <etvionbb@bezeqint.net> wrote:
>> >> > We are learning to tread the Path, not
>> necessarily
>> >> > Jewish Kabalah, even I
>> >> > refer often to the Hebrew Bible's allegories.
>> The
>> >> > story of creation in the
>> >> > Bible resembles much of other sources, I was
>> >> > impressed with the Divine Theme
>> >> > of Meher Baba (see link below) as was placed in
>> >> the
>> >> > book God Speaks. I
>> >> > understood it runs parallel with the Vedas and
>> >> other
>> >> > Hindu scriptures. What
>> >> > I would like to do, is to compare what I have,
>> >> with
>> >> > other sources.
>> >> > The story goes, that God in the Beyond-beyond
>> >> State,
>> >> > which is a state of no
>> >> > consciousness of anything, even not the
>> >> > consciousness of having no
>> >> > consciousness, *wakes up* after a very long
>> sleep,
>> >> > and then this *State*
>> >> > asks the eternal question: "Who am I?" But how
>> to
>> >> > ask questions if you
>> >> > cannot ask? You have no faculties of
>> expressions,
>> >> no
>> >> > mind to cultivate
>> >> > thoughts, there is nothing, but a deep
>> >> uncomfortable
>> >> > feeling, a deep feeling
>> >> > somewhere in the deep of Nowhere, and when this
>> >> > feeling surges, the creation
>> >> > springs forth. The eternal question, "Who am
>> I?"
>> >> is
>> >> > the motivation of all
>> >> > souls to keep on searching and finding till the
>> >> > final absorption in the
>> >> > Absolute, the final annihilation of the
>> individual
>> >> > self in the ocean of
>> >> > Divine Love.
>> >> > All these are high words, still I would like to
>> >> find
>> >> > parallele sources; if
>> >> > you have material on hand as per your
>> suggestion,
>> >> or
>> >> > an internet link, let
>> >> > me know. So far, during my translation work on
>> the
>> >> > Secret Doctrine,
>> >> > Blavatsky speaks only on the creation of the
>> solar
>> >> > system and humanity. But
>> >> > what was before that? How consciousness came to
>> be
>> >> > in the first place?
>> >> > Etzion
>> >> > http://www.avatarmeherbaba.org/erics/theme.html
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> > From: "Gopi Chari" <ekcvv@juno.com>
>> >> > To: <study@blavatsky.net>
>> >> > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:31 AM
>> >> > Subject: [bn-study] Re: The story of creation
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > Dear Etzion,
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Jerusalem Study Group!
>> >> > > Is this a Jewish group or Kabala Study Group?
>> >> > > Can you use Hindu Genesis from 'Bhagavatha
>> >> (Story
>> >> > of Maha Vishnu)!'
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Gopi

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