Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00392)

Hi Mark

Arne't food and water stimulants for the physical processess? There are some pleasures that we can only experience through the carnal body. Should the masters while in the flesh, share a stimulant like tobacco leaf, I cannot see the harm of it. I also cannot see the harm in a shot of brandy for the heart either. Why are we as theosophists taking this purist (catholic) idea that sainthood is attained through ascetism? 

Regards
Cass

"Mark Hamilton Jr." <waking.adept@gmail.com> wrote:
But for someone who is a master and inherently perfect in a certain
sense, would it actually matter? Nicotine is a stimulant; perhaps it
helped Morya or Morya's vehicle in some fashion.

Just to let it be known, I agree with you--I hate it when other people
smoke, and I would never do it myself, I'm just playing devil's
advocate.

-Mark H.

On 5/13/05, Vladimir wrote:
> Smoking is harmful to both body and mind. And I see no reason for a
> conscious being to willfully impede one's own development. And
> "pleasure" is something quite tunable when the will is developed
> enough -- one can enjoy just about anything.
> 
> 
> Friday, May 13, 2005, 5:57:04 PM, Mark wrote:
> 
> > In all seriousness, these traits were most likely a hodgepodge of
> > different traits they had during their initiations and former lives.
> > However, they may just as well seem to be just as average as you or I
> > under normal circumstances.
> 
> > I see that apparently smoking discredits some people, and makes them
> > seem more fallible and "human". It's most likely something they just
> > enjoy--after all, one can't be complete if they are missing something
> > in this life.
> 
> > -Mark H.
> 
> > On 5/12/05, Erica Letzerich wrote:
> >> I wonder what would be the great thing in discovering what he
> >> had in his pipe. I mean there are not much proofs about ttheir
> >> existence, image proofs about what they were smoking. If they were
> >> in Amsterdam you may easy say Cannabis, in Havana a nice tobacco
> >> who knows. In Tibet or India also they have tobacco. I wonder when
> >> people will start asking if they were wearing pyjamas to sleep of
> >> just a drop of channel number 5, who knows. Also did they comb
> >> their hair everyday? Which product they used for their hair? Did
> >> they have dry hair? What would be their prefered meal. A nice idea
> >> not explored could be the Diet Books of the Mahatmas. Loose 10
> >> kilos in one month and gain 200 hundred more years of life with the
> >> diet of the Mahatmas.
> >>
> >> Erica
> >>
> >> Vladimir wrote:
> >> Wednesday, May 4, 2005, 5:07:47 PM, Bart wrote:
> >>
> >> > Vladimir wrote:
> >> >> Does anybody know what exactly was in his pipe? What was he burning
> >> >> there? I suppose it was not tobacco.
> >>
> >> > I've often asked the same question. However, remember, they are human,
> >> > and not Mahatmas 24 hours a day.
> >>
> >> Oh, c'mon, you don't think they are STUPID humans, do you? :)
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >> Erica Letzerich .'.
> >>
> 
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-- 
Mark Hamilton Jr.
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