Re: Theos-World The 3 societies
May 06, 2005 10:31 AM
by Jerry Hejka-Ekins
Sufilight,
You asked:
What kind of Theosophical Society or group would you suggest that
one formed, so to actively help the three societies to develop?
Is our Theos-Talk group enough?
In 1984 we started off a networking movement in order for the three
societies to work together. Things changed quite a lot since then.
People from different groups are indeed working together, and inter
theosophical conferences are still being held. I would suggest that
those who believe that the three Organizations should work together in
cooperation, ought to participate in and organize their own networking
activities. If forming a nucleus for universal brotherhood is a primary
objective, let's start with fraternization among Theosophists,
regardless of affiliation. Don't depend upon or wait for the
Organizations to do it for you. Do it yourself for the betterment of
the Theosophical Movement.
Jerry
M. Sufilight wrote:
Hallo all,
My views are:
1.
To John Vorstermans:
I can only agree a lot with your words.
I think, that we will continue to withness, that there is a thin red line of
difference
when we are talking about criticism of personalities VERSUS
seeking to out of compassion to help groups to AVOID promoting teachings
written
by certain personalities or avoid promoting certain personalities.
If a child continues to put its hand in the fire, one seeks to
help the child to understand, that such an activity is wrong.
The child however is often taking this as an attack on its actions or
freedom.
Some persons will always - in an assumption-like manner -
be suspicious of what the intentions behind various activities are.
Some persons are always on the look-out on whether they are being attacked.
Some persons able to compare and distinguish, and some are simply not.
2.
To Perry and Jerry
I give both of you the same words to go with.
Since you seem to say, that all three of the mentioned societies have
somewhat crystallized I will ask:
What kind of Theosophical Society or group would you suggest that
one formed, so to actively help the three societies to develop?
Is our Theos-Talk group enough?
Let us remember W. Q. Judge's words, because he certainly also sometimes
said
something wise:
W. Q. Judge writes shortly after Blavatskys physical death, and I quote
Judge:
"In the Key to Theosophy, in the "Conclusion," H.P.B. again refers to this
subject and expresses the hope that the Society might not, after her death,
become dogmatic or crystallize on some phase of thought or philosophy, but
that it might remain free and open, with its members wise and unselfish. And
in
all her writings and remarks, privately or publicly, she constantly
reiterated
this idea. Of this the writer has direct evidence as to her statements in
private."
("Dogmatism in Theosophy" by W. Q. Judge, Path, January, 1892).
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/other/Dogmatism.htm
3.
To Nigel
I entirely agree.
And my above quote from W. Q. Judge should tell TS Adyar at least something.
If all three societies just would understand the words by Judge on
the need to "remain free and open", then perhaps...
4.
To MKR
It certainly might be true, what you say.
The three societies will perhaps disappear.
Just look a the number of members we have in total among for instance the
various
Alice A. Bailey groups and connected offshoots.
I think it to be true, that they have at least ten times more members than
the three mentioned societies have together.
This aught to give food for thought.
What is going on?
Are the three societies dreaming?
Have they crystallized?
And despite this there is a lot of talk about not to use criticism -
something which for instance Blavatsky used a great deal of time on actively
performing.
She did so out of compassion and she did it in a friendly manner.
- - - - - - -
A few views of my own:
What is needed is a much clearer stance on the Alice A. Bailey teachings.
Maybe Daniel Caldwell would like write much more about it in
articles to his website.
Either one dispells the Alice A. Bailey groups or one supports them.
A minor article on the Bailey teachings only hitting the surface of it is
not enough.
The Alice A. Bailey groups are as far as I am concerned running the show
today.
And in the meantime three so very small Soceities discuss how little they
disagree
with each other.
:-)
It is not, that we are not all of us theosophists.
But, what theosophical policy should be given the trend.
Today Alice A. Bailey's groups has the trend.
Is this a solution to the global situation?
What do you do about it?
And is that enough?
Well I just did something instead of nothing.
from
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: "Perry Coles" <perrycoles@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:34 AM
Subject: Theos-World The 3 societies
Hi All,
Over the last few years of my discovering the different issues in the
various different Theosophical societies my views have fluctuated.
In the ULT and Pasadena societies the focus is more on the writings
of Blavatsky and Judge albeit that Pasadena puts a lot of focus De
Puruker and Tingley as well and ULT dosn't study the Mahatma letters.
Adyar seems to have chosen to go more down the path of simply
focusing on the 3 objects generally.
All 3 organizations have there strengths and weaknesses as well as
their histories that have shaped who and what they are.
Of late I have come to feel that all 3 societies have a role and a
place in the movement that offers something which very few spiritual
organizations offer and that is the freedom to accept or reject what
is presented in its writings and from its teachers.
As well as having to offer the world some profound concepts and ideas.
While there may be important issues that need to massaged and worked
through I feel that all 3 offer something that is valuable and unique.
Even if there is quite a lot of dis-function in some areas they all
foster to a greater or lesser extent a spirit of inquiry and
exploration into the ideal of Brotherhood.
The issues in the Societies simply reflect the stage we as humans
beings are at, at this point in time and maybe offers opportunities
to try and work though these issues.
Perry
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