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Re: Theos-World Re: The 3 societies

May 06, 2005 09:51 AM
by M. Sufilight


A few views:


I would never promote Leadbeaters books to any 14 year old kids in a wisdom school.

Try this one to better understand some of the differences in views:
http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/thomas/gherwal.htm


M. Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- From: <david-blankenship@comcast.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: The 3 societies


That Adyar discourages criticism of CWL is not surprising any more than ULT and Pasadena would discourage criticism of HPB and Judge. I am a new member of the Adyar group. As a general rule it is better not to criticize anyone if you can help it. If it matters, CWL contributed many original ideas to the clairvoyance field
that he is never given credit for. Two on the Internet that I saw recently were his idea of the chakras coming from higher subtle bodies to lower and invisible helpers. There was an author a few years ago on this list had a long list of original ideas he had that have been incorporated into the new age groups without attribution. The Elder Brother by Dr. Tillett gives short shrift to this but is an excellent cautionary biography.

David B.
-------------- Original message --------------
Hi All,
Sorry not replying individually but hopefully I can cover the some
general points in one post.
Thanks Nigel for your comments and as you are aware these are issues
that will need to be discussed and thought about long and hard as by
students and we hope at some time some kind of progress will be able
to be made.

The historical baggage that comes with any person and organization
is largely hidden until we scratch deeper.
The issues and points of view that have been put forward on this
forum have been quite upfront.
Some may not find this type of approach un-theosophical, I however
find it to be in keeping with the type of criticism that is needed
in order to stop any teacher or teaching from becoming either an
infallible Seer or holy writ that then becomes dogma.

This seems to be somewhat of a luxury in organizations as it is felt
they have to play things very diplomatically and try not to upset
their members too much.

As MKR pointed out the internet has now become a vehicle to
distribute and share this information and I agree with him that this
will make a large impact onto the actual organizations themselves.
Internet groups like this one offer a forum to debate and discuss
these inter-organizational and historical points freely.
I tend to think this will be a process that will need to be walked
gently through within the society rather than using a sledgehammer
which tends to leave people feeling defensive and antagonistic.
(rightly or wrongly)

I can't claim to know the solution to these problems however it
maybe we can sometimes throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The Adyar TS may not be perfect but for me I am glad such an
organization still exists and as it does I feel offer something
unique and rare in the world even with its seeming unwritten
policies on not allowing criticism of C.W Leadbeater's teachings in
its official publications.

The apparent reason for this is that so many members are supporters
and promoters of Leadbeater and it is perceived as encroaching on
their right to support and promote him.
I have never suggested this should be the case, I have simply asked
that the right to make a critical comparison of his teachings with
those of the Mahatma's and Blavatsky's be supported.
At this stage as far as I've been able to ascertain this type of
article would not be allowed to be published in its official
publications.

The other side is that the Adyar TS has branches all over the world
and most members support and promote non dogmatism freedom of
thought.

It offers libraries and bookshops of esoteric material.
It also offers opportunities for enquirers to get together and
discuss life's mysteries and most importantly it promotes the idea
of Brotherhood.

This process of change I think needs to work from the ground up
rather than the other way around however a bit of support from up
above would be nice.

I'd like to encourage any Adyar members on this group to put forward
their feelings and ideas on how these issues may be worked through
or do you feel it is a non issue?


Regards
Perry

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "nhcareyta"
wrote:
> Dear Perry
> Your summation of three Theosophical organisations is a
conciliatory
> position given your many postings on your difficulties with
ongoing
> censorship within the Adyar Society.
> You write:
> >Adyar seems to have chosen to go more down the path of simply
> >focusing on the 3 objects generally.
> and
> >Even if there is quite a lot of dis-function in some areas they
all
> >foster to a greater or lesser extent a spirit of inquiry...
>
> Whilst as you suggest this is generally true, with the second
object
> of the Adyar Society being "To encourage the study of comparative
> religion, philosophy and science" there is still a great struggle
for
> me to reconcile this admirable and essential statement of
principle
> with its actual practice by that organisation's hierarchy which
you
> have encountered and described.
> Study by comparison includes sharing of perceptions and opinions
> without fear or favour, both verbally and in print. As you have
shown
> us, the Adyar Society hierarchy seems only to permit this in print
in
> a highly selective manner. This "philosophical" selectivity, as
> opposed to that needed to ensure decency and decorum, does not
> support that organisation's "Freedom of Thought" statement nor, it
> seems, their motto "There Is No Religion Higher Than Truth."
Whilst
> their statement and motto may be viewed as ideals only, it is
> disappointing the hierarchy have not appeared to follow Madame
> Blavatsky's lead when she wrote and practiced "...Contrast alone
can
> enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a
> judge compares notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a
> correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p.
2
>
> It is to be hoped that the Society's current and in my opinion,
> hypocritical position will be courageously addressed in the near
> future thereby potentially attracting and retaining an even
greater
> number of sincere and honourable seekers such as yourself.
> Very best wishes
> Nigel





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