Theos-Talk Archives (May 2005 Message tt00115)

Dear Niki
Get ready, here it comes....a great big whack of love
Cass

Niki Durand <nikidurand@yahoo.com> wrote:
Leon-

Get a life, and please don't bother me!

What an asinine post...

Bye!

Niki


--- LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 04/27/05 8:53:18 PM,
> nikidurand@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> >Dang, Leon, why all the words?!
> 
> Because other people interested in theosophy read
> these letters and some like 
> to know what's true or not, or what other and
> possibly wiser people think is 
> real or not. Besides, if I put all your letters
> together that I was 
> responding to, your words would add up to twice
> mine. :-)
> 
> >When all you really wanted to say that you don't
> care
> >about my contact with Dionne...
> 
> Right, I couldn't care less. But what I really
> wanted to say (and did) was 
> that your so called contacts with your dead lover
> are nothing more than 
> fantasies in your own lower mind, coming out of your
> own emotional self pity and 
> dependent nature, and that, since such personal
> conflict resolutions are of no 
> value to any others from a theosophical point of
> view -- you should keep your 
> private necromancy to yourself. (Unless you find
> another group dedicated to such 
> personal erotica, or maybe turn it all into an
> interesting novel -- which you 
> seem to have the writing talent for. :-)
> 
> >Fine, she and I will continue to have a good
> time...
> 
> Which, of course, is your privilege -- since no one
> has the right to complain 
> about someone else's mental masturbation's or other
> fantasies if it makes 
> them happy. :-) My youngest Daughter (by my second
> of three wives) who's 52, 
> still talks to her invisible friend she played with
> when she was seven, but she 
> knows she made her up and that she is really talking
> to herself. :-) 
> 
> >Now go back to your books and speculations...
> 
> Thanks for your kind if not sarcastic permission.
> ;^) But I have no need of 
> books nor do I speculate on anything much anymore.
> 
> Since this is ostensibly a theosophical discussion
> group -- all I can do is 
> question other's views and give out what I know to
> be true, based on my own 
> study and experience coupled with the confirmation
> from the Master within (the 
> higher spiritual self) -- who I can hear as clearly
> as you think you can see and 
> touch your dead lover. 
> 
> The only difference being that you have projected
> your former and now 
> replaced lover into the Astral, painted her with all
> the fantasies of character and 
> wisdom that salve your own suppressed guilt's and
> other problems with your 
> seemingly promiscuous sexual relationships, and that
> you can only experience those 
> fantasies by reflection... While I have no need of
> that second hand massaging 
> of my lower ego, since the higher self is our own
> real nature that depends on 
> nothing for its peace and equanimity outside of
> itself. 
> 
> As for my lower nature, all I can do is let it
> follow its own natural 
> functions and needs (not wants or desires) that lead
> to full enjoyment of a healthy 
> and, hopefully useful and productive life among
> family, friends and associates 
> (and sometimes lovers) that come and go -- without
> fantasies or regrets -- 
> until I shuffle off to the next episode in this game
> of life I'm forced by my 
> past karma (and my own present choice) to play. :-) 
> 
> 
> >I'll stick to my experience...
> 
> You do that... And, I hope it leads to the good
> karma you deserve, and the 
> lessons it might teach you. 
> 
> In the meantime I'll stick to mine, stay around, and
> continue to bug anyone 
> whom I think needs their assertive, supposedly
> theosophical knowledge (if based 
> on self generated smoke and mirrored imaginations
> conjured up in their lower 
> mind) straightened out a bit... Or, at least, poked
> into with the hope that 
> they might wake themselves up and begin to see and
> understand the true 
> theosophical transcendental or metaphysical reality
> (which includes its physical, 
> astral, mental and spiritual aspects) as it really
> is. :-) 
> 
> As a final observation, if an experience is really
> spiritual, one could never 
> talk about it.
> 
> Best wishes, 
> 
> Leon
> 
> >Niki
> >
> >
> >--- leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> To Niki and others on this thread.
> >> 
> >> Whether or not I am interested in what Dionne
> taught
> >> you is irrelevant. 
> >> Also, what you implied by "scripture" has nothing
> to
> >> do with what's true or not.
> >> 
> >> I was referring to reading responses to previous
> >> correspondence that does not 
> >> quote what the writer is referring to, answering
> >> letters out of context, 
> >> changing subject lines in midstream, or just
> plain
> >> nonsense comments, unfounded 
> >> assertions, or personal remarks directed to
> >> particular individuals. Unless one 
> >> quotes the entire dialogue in any thread, this is
> >> not the way an open and 
> >> unmoderated topical discussion forum should
> work. 
> >> 
> >> But since you asked -- I am not particularly
> >> interested in anybody's personal 
> >> experiences based on any sort of contact with the
> >> dead (other than to refute 
> >> it as being of no value at all in increasing
> anyones
> >> knowledge of theosophy) 
> >> ... Since, my own knowledge and experience of
> >> occultism and mental or psychic 
> >> phenomena coupled with metaphysics and science
> goes
> >> deep enough to know that 
> >> much of such stuff referring to visions of the
> >> afterlife and seeing and talking 
> >> to the dead, are self delusional, strictly
> personal
> >> wishful thinking, or 
> >> chemically induced hallucinations (either through
> >> brain or gland dysfunction's or 
> >> ingestion of certain drugs) -- that doesn't help
> >> anyone else in understanding 
> >> the true nature of reality or attaining their own
> >> self realization or 
> >> enlightenment -- which depends solely on their
> own
> >> particular karma, and has nothing to 
> >> do with anyone else's karma or their imaginations
> or
> >> fantasies... That should 
> >> be kept strictly to themselves. 
> >> 
> >> But you can keep on writing all you want about
> it,
> >> and if I find it 
> >> theosophically interesting, I'll read some more. 
> If
> >> not, I will ignore it. 
> >> 
> >> (The above was written more than a week ago.) 
> >> 
> >> Now that I've read some more about your imaginary
> >> experiences and what was 
> >> taught to you (which may or may not be true,
> >> wherever it came from) I can put it 
> >> in the same category of other spiritualists'
> >> delusions (as HPB did) -- that, 
> >> along with private chats and meaningless one line
> >> comments, has cluttered my 
> >> mailbox with almost 1000 letters having little of
> >> value in most of them (as I 
> 
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