Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01913)

Apl 29 2005

Dear K and Jerome:

Thanks, excellent statement re Olcott, and events.

Dallas
 
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

-----Original Message-----
From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of krishtar
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:55 AM
To: Jerome Wheeler
Cc: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; krishtar_a@brturbo.com
Subject: Theos-World Re: Col Olcott as a goofy?


Hi Jerome
Very good email, gonna print, read and then send my comments!
So nice to hear from you.
Best wishes, so far!

Edson Krishtar

===================================
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jerome Wheeler 
To: dalval14@earthlink.net 
Cc: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ; krishtar_a@brturbo.com 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Col Olcott as a goofy?


Krishtar,
I must agree with what you say about Col. Olcott. He had no discretion in
relation to events. 


That talk you mentioned is considered by some to have gone a long way
toward poisoning any future relations with the SPR. FWH Myers had seen some
phenomena, and he also was wavering back and forth, but that meeting pretty
well clinched his disaffection with theosophy. This is my opinion from
documents I have read.

But the real split --- AND IT WAS NOT A SPLIT --- was Col. Olcott's
betrayal of Occultism and utter cowardice in the Coulomb affair.  


Should he and HPB have stuck together and mounted the ramparts there are
good indications that they would not only have won but some few of the
natives who were in deep debt to HPB would have come around. There was no
need for "phenomena" in court!!!  


Look at HPB's behavior in her court case in America. She won it!! Her
behavior was totally unorthodox and stumped the lawyers as she ignored their
advice and received help in a psychic way. She would have received help
here too had there been any bravery evident.  


As it was Col. Olcott successfully killed the T.S. occultly --- as an
organization --- not so far as individuals are concerned. Until then there
had been an umbrella, but the "umbrella" left (or was dismissed!!) and
started a new movement in the West, which is exactly what her Master
directed, and also what he warned Olcott of in one of his letters --- that
if he did not get a minimum of occult obedience in his behavior he would
have to "TURN KARMA IN ANOTHER DIRECTION."

In occultism there is a phrase--- PLEDGE FEVER ---- everyone comes under
the GUN of a different law when they begin the spiritual Path. From an
everyday profane, Yankee, point-of-view Col. Olcott's behavior prior to 1875
is exemplary and he was something of a genius in certain lines. So we must
be cautious not to denounce people who are under the gun of another law of
being than the everyday profane. In that sense we can be grateful for the
good work that he did accomplish without in any sense whitewashing the
disasterous side of his behavior. You, I, all of us, are disasters in
occultism to a certain extent, but we must persevere and prepare our luggage
for a future and more auspicious beginning. Indeed, the candle is worth the
price!
Jerome



On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:40:52 -0700 "W.Dallas TenBroeck"
<dalval14@earthlink.net> writes:
> Apl 21 2005
> 
> Dear K:
> 
> May I break in? 
> 
> I would ask you to look at The THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT (875-1925)  
> published in 1925. It is a history book based on actual documents, not 
> opinions.
> 
> I will make a few extracts (sorry -- longer than expected) here 
> but they are broken and incomplete due to gaps.
> 
> ====================
> 
> THE S.P.R. AND THE THEOSOPHICAL PHENOMENA (p. 59...)
> 
> The first serious modern attempt to investigate metaphysical 
> phenomena in a
> quasi-scientific spirit was that made by the London Dialectical 
> Society. At
> a meeting of the Council of that Society in January, 1869, a 
> Committee was
> appointed "to investigate the Phenomena alleged to be Spiritual
> Manifestations, and to report thereon.