Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01364)

Hello Cass,
I think is a question of getting out of a belief based mindset and 
trying to develop an increasingly expansive and compassionate one.

Belief is generally caught up in a desire for security, comfort and 
certainty.
It reminds me of the old Taoist saying 'he who thinks he knows 
doesn't know , he who knows he doesn't know, knows'

Perry



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@y...> wrote:
> The problem with that is Perry, if two experts are right, which one 
do you believe?
> Cass
> 
> Perry Coles <perrycoles@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> Perhaps it maybe the problem is in what context this 
word 'theosophy' 
> is used.
> The tradition of HPB's Adept teachers had/has particular teachings, 
> and these teachings may match with some other traditions in some 
> areas but not in other areas.
> 
> Maybe the simple clarification of which tradition we are referring 
to 
> can help get over this what is and what isn't "theosophy" bump.
> 
> For example by saying 'the Leadbeater / Besant writings say this 
and 
> the Blavatsky / Mahatma writings suggest that' perhaps is a way we 
> can work towards open comparison rather than getting stuck on 
> the 'this is theosophy and that isn't' debate.
> 
> Surely the work of the theosophist is generating a thought 
atmosphere 
> of open minded and free investigation that takes the mind deeper 
and 
> expands our vision of who and what we are and our inter-
connectedness 
> with the ALL.
> 
> Maybe the classification 'theosophy' can only really be applied to 
a 
> way of being and interacting with life.
> Rather than a set of specific books or quotations.
> 
> 'Theosophical teachings' are more correctly those that lead into an 
> awareness of oneness. 
> 
> An aspect of that journey for some is a study and comparison of 
> writings.
> 
> All books and writings have there flaws and none are infallible.
> 
> 
> Perry
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" theosophy@s...> 
wrote:
> > Hallo Krishtar,
> > 
> > I think that we can agree upon, that it depends on time, place, 
> people and 
> > circumstances.
> > If a scripture should be helpful in simplifying the understanding 
> of theos. 
> > (ie. theosophy) nowadays -
> > its impact on the reader would have to have such a "simplifying" 
> effect.
> > 
> > It is a bit dangerous to answer such a question, because many 
will 
> be able 
> > to read my answer.
> > 
> > To some it would be
> > a) Winnie the Poh
> > b) Donald Duck
> > c) Idries Shah's works on Mullah Nasrudin and perhaps
> > his book "The Magic Monastary" (which is written to advanced 
> students)
> > d) Harry Potter
> > e) Tolkien
> > f) The Da Vinci Code (even if it is partly fiction)
> > g) The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail
> > i) Various books on Brainwashing
> > j) Cyril Scott "The Initiate" (the trilogy)
> > h) Bulwer-Lytton "Zanoni"
> > i) Paul Brunton - collected writings (although they have faults 
and 
> are 
> > getting old)
> > j) Baird T. Spalding "Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far 
> East " 5 
> > or
> > 6 volumes (although some already considers them to be 
theosophical 
> in 
> > nature)
> > k) Scriptures and various interpretations on the six Indian 
> philosophies. 
> > These six systems are the Vaisheshika, the Nyaya, the Samkhya, 
the 
> Yoga, the 
> > Mimamsa, and the Vedanta. Rishis Kanada, Gotama, Kapila, 
Patanjali, 
> Jaimini, 
> > and Vyasa are believed to be the earliest exponents of these 
> systems 
> > respectively. The age of the systems are often wrongly given by 
> various 
> > scholars.
> > (Some people already hold these scriptures to be theosophical.)
> > l) Bruce Reichenbach: "The Law of Karma"
> > If you ask me - one of the best written books on the subject. it 
> aught to be 
> > compared with the known theosophical literature on this subject.
> > m) Here is many good scriptures. Some valuable and some not. 
> > http://www.sacred-texts.com
> > n) Meeting people in life is just as good as reading a book. You 
> just have 
> > to think - then you learn.
> > 
> > The Seeker is required to think for himself or herself before 
> seeking out 
> > any writings and before reading anything at all.
> > To read writings without - thinking - about what writing it is 
one 
> is 
> > reading, is not good.
> > Think. The perhaps choose a book or do something else. And then 
> perhaps read 
> > a book - or an email.
> > 
> > What is actual theosophical teaching, and what not is difficult 
to 
> describe 
> > with a few words.
> > The most important requirement is that the scriptures if read - 
> should have 
> > an spiritual impact on the reader.
> > So the scriptures and books in the above list is not for everyone 
> to read.
> > 
> > Any new questios?
> > Are you staying with us?
> > 
> > from
> > M. sufilight
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "krishtar" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:09 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World theosophical books in disguise?
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Morten
> > > In your view, what other works can simplify the understanding 
of 
> theos. 
> > > nowadays excluding works that have garbled versions of 
theoeophy.
> > > I gess there are many good works out there which are 
> theosophicals under 
> > > disguise.
> > > Katinka Hesselink also talked about Ken wilber, and he is 
really 
> great on 
> > > consciousness.
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Krishtar
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: M. Sufilight
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:51 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World The Ressurection of the Letter...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > Here is a little something - one more time...
> > >
> > > Here are a few characteristics of Theosophical litterature:
> > >
> > > 1. Some books, some passages, are intended to be read in a 
> certain order.
> > > 2. Some books and passages have to be read under specific 
> environmental
> > > conditions.
> > > 3. Some have to be read aloud, some silently, some alone, some 
> in 
> > > company.
> > > 4. Some are only vehicles for illustrations or other content 
> generally
> > > regarded as extraneous or secondary to the text.
> > > 5. Some are of limited use or ephemeral function, being 
> addressed to
> > > communities in certain places, at certain stages of 
development, 
> or for a
> > > limited time. (For instance is The Secret Doctrine or other 
> kinds of 
> > > literature
> > > carrying theosophical terminology one example of this.)
> > > 6. Some forms have concealed meanings which yield coherent
> > > but misleading meanings, safety-devices to ward of tamperers.
> > > 7. Some are interlarded with material deliberately designed to
> > > confuse or sidetrack those who are not properly instructed, for 
> their own
> > > protection.
> > > 8. Some books contain a completely different potential, and they
> > > are communicators through another means than the writing 
> contained in 
> > > them.
> > > They are not designed primarily to be read at all. (They 
> sometimes has 
> > > what a
> > > Pope would call a heretical potential. - Smile - )
> > > 9. Theosophical litterature is a part of carefully worked out 
> plan. Its 
> > > abuse lead to
> > > nothing of permanent value.
> > > Theosophical teachings, and sometimes keys to it, are sometimes 
> embedded 
> > > in
> > > quite other material, not recognisable as theosophical at all 
to 
> the 
> > > uninitiated.
> > > Many of these teachings are really meditation-themes. They have 
> deep 
> > > function
> > > almost unknown to the pedestrian conventionalists, enthusiasts, 
> imitators 
> > > or
> > > occultist." ...
> > >
> > >
> > > And the text continues on.
> > > - It is especially the last four sentences - which we aught to 
> familiarze
> > > ourselves with. And anyways - all of the text seem to work 
> wonders in my 
> > > mind.
> > >
> > >
> > > For instance is it so, that Blavatskys talks about that 
> allegories, 
> > > dead-letter reading and the Seven Keys exists.
> > > (The Secret Doctrine, vol 1., page 318)
> > > These has to do with the above text on Theosophical litterature.
> > > This is my knowledge.
> > >
> > >
> > > There are also non-physical libraries.
> > >
> > > - - -
> > > All of the above was taken freely from
> > > the Non-Physical Secret Theosophical Archives
> > > :-)
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > from
> > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > >
> > >
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