Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01363)

The problem with that is Perry, if two experts are right, which one do you believe?
Cass

Perry Coles <perrycoles@yahoo.com> wrote:


Hello All,
Perhaps it maybe the problem is in what context this word 'theosophy' 
is used.
The tradition of HPB's Adept teachers had/has particular teachings, 
and these teachings may match with some other traditions in some 
areas but not in other areas.

Maybe the simple clarification of which tradition we are referring to 
can help get over this what is and what isn't "theosophy" bump.

For example by saying 'the Leadbeater / Besant writings say this and 
the Blavatsky / Mahatma writings suggest that' perhaps is a way we 
can work towards open comparison rather than getting stuck on 
the 'this is theosophy and that isn't' debate.

Surely the work of the theosophist is generating a thought atmosphere 
of open minded and free investigation that takes the mind deeper and 
expands our vision of who and what we are and our inter-connectedness 
with the ALL.

Maybe the classification 'theosophy' can only really be applied to a 
way of being and interacting with life.
Rather than a set of specific books or quotations.

'Theosophical teachings' are more correctly those that lead into an 
awareness of oneness. 

An aspect of that journey for some is a study and comparison of 
writings.

All books and writings have there flaws and none are infallible.


Perry

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" theosophy@s...> wrote:
> Hallo Krishtar,
> 
> I think that we can agree upon, that it depends on time, place, 
people and 
> circumstances.
> If a scripture should be helpful in simplifying the understanding 
of theos. 
> (ie. theosophy) nowadays -
> its impact on the reader would have to have such a "simplifying" 
effect.
> 
> It is a bit dangerous to answer such a question, because many will 
be able 
> to read my answer.
> 
> To some it would be
> a) Winnie the Poh
> b) Donald Duck
> c) Idries Shah's works on Mullah Nasrudin and perhaps
> his book "The Magic Monastary" (which is written to advanced 
students)
> d) Harry Potter
> e) Tolkien
> f) The Da Vinci Code (even if it is partly fiction)
> g) The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail
> i) Various books on Brainwashing
> j) Cyril Scott "The Initiate" (the trilogy)
> h) Bulwer-Lytton "Zanoni"
> i) Paul Brunton - collected writings (although they have faults and 
are 
> getting old)
> j) Baird T. Spalding "Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far 
East " 5 
> or
> 6 volumes (although some already considers them to be theosophical 
in 
> nature)
> k) Scriptures and various interpretations on the six Indian 
philosophies. 
> These six systems are the Vaisheshika, the Nyaya, the Samkhya, the 
Yoga, the 
> Mimamsa, and the Vedanta. Rishis Kanada, Gotama, Kapila, Patanjali, 
Jaimini, 
> and Vyasa are believed to be the earliest exponents of these 
systems 
> respectively. The age of the systems are often wrongly given by 
various 
> scholars.
> (Some people already hold these scriptures to be theosophical.)
> l) Bruce Reichenbach: "The Law of Karma"
> If you ask me - one of the best written books on the subject. it 
aught to be 
> compared with the known theosophical literature on this subject.
> m) Here is many good scriptures. Some valuable and some not. 
> http://www.sacred-texts.com
> n) Meeting people in life is just as good as reading a book. You 
just have 
> to think - then you learn.
> 
> The Seeker is required to think for himself or herself before 
seeking out 
> any writings and before reading anything at all.
> To read writings without - thinking - about what writing it is one 
is 
> reading, is not good.
> Think. The perhaps choose a book or do something else. And then 
perhaps read 
> a book - or an email.
> 
> What is actual theosophical teaching, and what not is difficult to 
describe 
> with a few words.
> The most important requirement is that the scriptures if read - 
should have 
> an spiritual impact on the reader.
> So the scriptures and books in the above list is not for everyone 
to read.
> 
> Any new questios?
> Are you staying with us?
> 
> from
> M. sufilight
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "krishtar" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:09 AM
> Subject: Theos-World theosophical books in disguise?
> 
> 
> >
> > Morten
> > In your view, what other works can simplify the understanding of 
theos. 
> > nowadays excluding works that have garbled versions of theoeophy.
> > I gess there are many good works out there which are 
theosophicals under 
> > disguise.
> > Katinka Hesselink also talked about Ken wilber, and he is really 
great on 
> > consciousness.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Krishtar
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: M. Sufilight
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:51 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World The Ressurection of the Letter...
> >
> >
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > Here is a little something - one more time...
> >
> > Here are a few characteristics of Theosophical litterature:
> >
> > 1. Some books, some passages, are intended to be read in a 
certain order.
> > 2. Some books and passages have to be read under specific 
environmental
> > conditions.
> > 3. Some have to be read aloud, some silently, some alone, some 
in 
> > company.
> > 4. Some are only vehicles for illustrations or other content 
generally
> > regarded as extraneous or secondary to the text.
> > 5. Some are of limited use or ephemeral function, being 
addressed to
> > communities in certain places, at certain stages of development, 
or for a
> > limited time. (For instance is The Secret Doctrine or other 
kinds of 
> > literature
> > carrying theosophical terminology one example of this.)
> > 6. Some forms have concealed meanings which yield coherent
> > but misleading meanings, safety-devices to ward of tamperers.
> > 7. Some are interlarded with material deliberately designed to
> > confuse or sidetrack those who are not properly instructed, for 
their own
> > protection.
> > 8. Some books contain a completely different potential, and they
> > are communicators through another means than the writing 
contained in 
> > them.
> > They are not designed primarily to be read at all. (They 
sometimes has 
> > what a
> > Pope would call a heretical potential. - Smile - )
> > 9. Theosophical litterature is a part of carefully worked out 
plan. Its 
> > abuse lead to
> > nothing of permanent value.
> > Theosophical teachings, and sometimes keys to it, are sometimes 
embedded 
> > in
> > quite other material, not recognisable as theosophical at all to 
the 
> > uninitiated.
> > Many of these teachings are really meditation-themes. They have 
deep 
> > function
> > almost unknown to the pedestrian conventionalists, enthusiasts, 
imitators 
> > or
> > occultist." ...
> >
> >
> > And the text continues on.
> > - It is especially the last four sentences - which we aught to 
familiarze
> > ourselves with. And anyways - all of the text seem to work 
wonders in my 
> > mind.
> >
> >
> > For instance is it so, that Blavatskys talks about that 
allegories, 
> > dead-letter reading and the Seven Keys exists.
> > (The Secret Doctrine, vol 1., page 318)
> > These has to do with the above text on Theosophical litterature.
> > This is my knowledge.
> >
> >
> > There are also non-physical libraries.
> >
> > - - -
> > All of the above was taken freely from
> > the Non-Physical Secret Theosophical Archives
> > :-)
> > - - -
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
> >
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