Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01207)

Look Krishtar-

We can make this our last post together, after your
obvious rebuttal, 'cos I'm onto you. 

I placed a post, in public, and asked nothing, other
than an open mind. I've been mat with mostly dogma,
and now you've joined in that. You came to me with
bias, as if you actually knew something about my
experiences, and managed to be demeaning along the
way. When I called you on it, very fairly I feel, I
get this petulant reply below. If you were as
objective and compassionate as you feel, then you
would've realized I still have a great deal of pain.
You write from a place of negative male energy, which
always wants to be right at all costs. Someone's grief
means nothing to people like you if being right looms
on the horizon. Well, K. I have tyre tracks on my back
from your rush to claim another bon-bon for your ego
basket. 

I hope you NEVER have to suffer the sudden loss of
your mate. Maybe then you'll have an inkling of what
I'm going through. I'm sharing intimate thoughts
freely...but go ahead and feel free to continue
pissing on them to satisfy your desire to be right.

By the way, did you notice I didn't sign my usual
"love" on the post you responded to? That's because I
was being sacastic...and it ws intended for anyone who
felt guilty- like you! You just fell for my trap, and
now I know where you stand...ooops! don't look down,
that's spiritual dog-poo yer standing in...

Niki

ps...like with anyone else I've ever had a conflict
with I'm willing to come to peace, if you are. But I
won't ever be talked down to, not even by God...


--- krishtar <krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br> wrote:

> 
> 
> Niki, 
> You always used the word "love" in your e-.mails.
> You asked respect for your feelings towards someone
> you love.
> You ask people to respect your and share your
> experiences and have empathy for the sorrow you
> mentioned by the living of your "soulmate".
> 
> Here I put a question for your reflection and
> consideration.
> The same empathy and consideration you plea you
> should offer to all of us, here.
> It is a list of theosophy, of people who try to
> study theosophy.
> One of the principal characteristics of this study
> is impartiality, objectiveness.
> Here we are not attached to the study and researches
> on siddhis, which are empty in their essence and for
> many times lead us to illusion.
> Theosophy is not spiritism, perhaps you are
> confounding theosophy with spiritism of Allan
> Kardec- line where they explain and believe in the
> phenomena as they are, neglecting their ultimate
> causesand the mechanisms that produce them.
> Judging according what you are looking for, you´d
> better, IMHO, look for another thread of thinking,
> maybe in the line of spiritism, where such
> experiences have different aproaches.
> It´s just my opinion.
> 
> Krishtar
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Niki Durand 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ; AA-BNStudy 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Theos-World It's not like I forget,
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, delusions are sad, aren't they...good thing
> none
> of us here suffer from that, huh? What a lovely
> group
> of experienced experts, all versed through vast
> experience in what it means to be in vibrant
> contact
> with spirits and other beings. Whew! Glad I'm
> amongst
> peers who have as much experience as I do and
> never
> resort to quoting scripture without ever had any
> paranormal experiences themselves and who know to
> trust another's accounts of their own
> experiences...no
> browbeating here, oh no...lucky me...
> 
> Niki
> 
> 
> --- "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Apl 19 2005
> > 
> > Dear T and Friends:
> > 
> > This may supply a part of the answer:
> > 
> > 
> > DELUSIONS OF CLAIRVOYANCE
> > 
> > SOME years ago it was proposed that psychometry
> > should be used in detecting
> > crime and for the exposing of motive in all
> > transactions between man and
> > man.
> > 
> > This, the alleged discoverer said, would alter
> the
> > state of society by
> > compelling people to be honest and by reducing
> > crime. 
> > 
> > Now for those who do not know, it may be well to
> say
> > that when you
> > psychometrize you take any object that has been
> in
> > the immediate vicinity of
> > any person or place of any action, or the
> writing of
> > another, and by holding
> > it to your forehead or in the hand a picture of
> the
> > event, the writer, the
> > surroundings, and the history of the object,
> comes
> > before your mental eye
> > with more or less accuracy. 
> > 
> > Time and distance are said to make no
> difference,
> > for the wrapping from a
> > mummy has been psychometrized by one who knew
> > nothing about it, and the
> > mummy with its supposed history accurately
> > described. Letters also have been
> > similarly treated without reading them, and not
> only
> > their contents given
> > but also the unexpressed thoughts and the
> > surroundings of the writers. 
> > 
> > Clairvoyants have also on innumerable occasions
> > given correct descriptions
> > of events and persons they could never have seen
> or
> > known. But other
> > innumerable times they have failed.
> > 
> > Without doubt if the city government, or any
> body of
> > people owning property
> > that can be stolen, had in their employment a
> man or
> > woman who could declare
> > beyond possibility of ever failing where any
> stolen
> > article was, and who
> > stole it, and could in advance indicate a
> purpose on
> > the part of another to
> > steal, to trick, to lie, or otherwise do evil,
> one
> > of two things would
> > happen. 
> > 
> > Either criminals or intending offenders would
> abide
> > elsewhere, or some means
> > of getting rid of the clear-seer would be put
> into
> > effect. 
> > 
> > Looking at the alluring possibilities of
> > clairvoyance so far as it is
> > understood, many persons have sighed for its
> power
> > for several different
> > reasons. Some would use it for the purposes
> > described, but many another has
> > thought of it merely as a new means for
> furthering
> > personal ends.
> > 
> > Its delusions are so manifold that, although
> > mystical and psychical subjects
> > have obtained in the public mind a new standing,
> > clairvoyance will not be
> > other than a curiosity for some time, and when
> its
> > phenomena and laws are
> > well understood no reliance greater than now
> will be
> > placed upon it. And
> > even when individual clairvoyants of wonderful
> power
> > are known, they will
> > not be accessible for such uses, because, having
> > reached their power by
> > special training, the laws of their school will
> > prohibit the exercise of the
> > faculty at the bidding of selfish interest,
> whether
> > on the one side or the
> > other.
> > 
> > If it were not always a matter of doubt and
> > difficulty, natural clear-seers
> > would have long ago demonstrated the unerring
> range
> > of their vision by
> > discovering criminals still uncaught, by
> pointing
> > out where stolen property
> > could be recovered, by putting a finger on a
> moral
> > plague-spot which is
> > known to exist but cannot be located. Yet this
> they
> > have not done, and
> > careful Theosophists are confirmed in the old
> > teaching that the field of
> > clairvoyance is full of delusions. Coming evil
> could
> > in the same way be
> > averted, since present error is the prelude and
> 
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