Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt01189)

Niki, 
You always used the word "love" in your e-.mails.
You asked respect for your feelings towards someone you love.
You ask people to respect your and share your experiences and have empathy for the sorrow you mentioned by the living of your "soulmate".

Here I put a question for your reflection and consideration.
The same empathy and consideration you plea you should offer to all of us, here.
It is a list of theosophy, of people who try to study theosophy.
One of the principal characteristics of this study is impartiality, objectiveness.
Here we are not attached to the study and researches on siddhis, which are empty in their essence and for many times lead us to illusion.
Theosophy is not spiritism, perhaps you are confounding theosophy with spiritism of Allan Kardec- line where they explain and believe in the phenomenaas they are, neglecting their ultimate causesand the mechanisms that produce them.
Judging according what you are looking for, you´d better, IMHO, look foranother thread of thinking, maybe in the line of spiritism, where such experiences have different aproaches.
It´s just my opinion.

Krishtar

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Niki Durand 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ; AA-BNStudy 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World It's not like I forget,



Yeah, delusions are sad, aren't they...good thing none
of us here suffer from that, huh? What a lovely group
of experienced experts, all versed through vast
experience in what it means to be in vibrant contact
with spirits and other beings. Whew! Glad I'm amongst
peers who have as much experience as I do and never
resort to quoting scripture without ever had any
paranormal experiences themselves and who know to
trust another's accounts of their own experiences...no
browbeating here, oh no...lucky me...

Niki


--- "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> 
> Apl 19 2005
> 
> Dear T and Friends:
> 
> This may supply a part of the answer:
> 
>  
> DELUSIONS OF CLAIRVOYANCE
> 
> SOME years ago it was proposed that psychometry
> should be used in detecting
> crime and for the exposing of motive in all
> transactions between man and
> man.
> 
> This, the alleged discoverer said, would alter the
> state of society by
> compelling people to be honest and by reducing
> crime. 
> 
> Now for those who do not know, it may be well to say
> that when you
> psychometrize you take any object that has been in
> the immediate vicinity of
> any person or place of any action, or the writing of
> another, and by holding
> it to your forehead or in the hand a picture of the
> event, the writer, the
> surroundings, and the history of the object, comes
> before your mental eye
> with more or less accuracy. 
> 
> Time and distance are said to make no difference,
> for the wrapping from a
> mummy has been psychometrized by one who knew
> nothing about it, and the
> mummy with its supposed history accurately
> described. Letters also have been
> similarly treated without reading them, and not only
> their contents given
> but also the unexpressed thoughts and the
> surroundings of the writers. 
> 
> Clairvoyants have also on innumerable occasions
> given correct descriptions
> of events and persons they could never have seen or
> known. But other
> innumerable times they have failed.
> 
> Without doubt if the city government, or any body of
> people owning property
> that can be stolen, had in their employment a man or
> woman who could declare
> beyond possibility of ever failing where any stolen
> article was, and who
> stole it, and could in advance indicate a purpose on
> the part of another to
> steal, to trick, to lie, or otherwise do evil, one
> of two things would
> happen. 
> 
> Either criminals or intending offenders would abide
> elsewhere, or some means
> of getting rid of the clear-seer would be put into
> effect. 
> 
> Looking at the alluring possibilities of
> clairvoyance so far as it is
> understood, many persons have sighed for its power
> for several different
> reasons. Some would use it for the purposes
> described, but many another has
> thought of it merely as a new means for furthering
> personal ends.
> 
> Its delusions are so manifold that, although
> mystical and psychical subjects
> have obtained in the public mind a new standing,
> clairvoyance will not be
> other than a curiosity for some time, and when its
> phenomena and laws are
> well understood no reliance greater than now will be
> placed upon it. And
> even when individual clairvoyants of wonderful power
> are known, they will
> not be accessible for such uses, because, having
> reached their power by
> special training, the laws of their school will
> prohibit the exercise of the
> faculty at the bidding of selfish interest, whether
> on the one side or the
> other.
> 
> If it were not always a matter of doubt and
> difficulty, natural clear-seers
> would have long ago demonstrated the unerring range
> of their vision by
> discovering criminals still uncaught, by pointing
> out where stolen property
> could be recovered, by putting a finger on a moral
> plague-spot which is
> known to exist but cannot be located. Yet this they
> have not done, and
> careful Theosophists are confirmed in the old
> teaching that the field of
> clairvoyance is full of delusions. Coming evil could
> in the same way be
> averted, since present error is the prelude and
> cause of future painful
> results.
> 
> The prime cause for delusion is that the thought of
> anything makes around
> the thinker an image of the thing thought about. And
> all images in this
> thought-field are alike, since we remember an object
> by our thought-image of
> it, and not by carrying the object in our heads.
> Hence the picture in our
> aura of what we have seen in the hands of another is
> of the same sort for
> untrained seers -- as our ideas on the subject of
> events in which we have
> not participated. So a clairvoyant may, and in fact
> does, mistake these
> thought-pictures one for the other, thus reducing
> the chances of certainty. 
> 
> If an anxious mother imagines her child in danger
> and with vivid thought
> pictures the details of a railway accident, the
> picture the seer may see
> will be of something that never happened and is only
> the product of emotion
> or imagination.
> 
> Mistakes in identity come next. These are more
> easily made a the astral
> plane, which is the means for clairvoyance, than yen
> upon the visible one,
> and will arise from numerous causes. So numerous and
> complex is this that to
> fully explain would not only be hopeless but
> tedious. 
> 
> For instance, the person, say at a distance, to whom
> the clairvoyant eye is
> directed may look entirely different from reality,
> whether as clothing or
> physiognomy. He may, in the depths of winter, appear
> clad in spring
> clothing, and your clairvoyant report that, adding
> probably that it
> symbolizes something next spring. But, in fact, the
> spring clothing was due
> to his thoughts about well-worn comfortable suit of
> this sort throwing a
> glamour of the clothing before the vision of the
> seer. Some cases exactly
> like this I have known and verified. 
> 
> Or the lover, dwelling on the form and features of
> his beloved, or the
> criminal upon the one he has wronged, will work a
> protean change and destroy
> identification.
> 
> Another source of error will be found in the
> unwitting transfer to the
> clairvoyant of your own thoughts, much altered
> either for better or worse.
> Or even the thoughts of some one else whom you have
> just met or heard from.
> For if you consult the seer on some line of thought,
> having just read the
> ideas on the same subject of another who thinks very
> strongly and very
> clearly, and whose character is overmastering, the
> clairvoyant will ten to
> one feel the influence of the other and give you his
> ideas.
> 
> Reversion of image is the last I will refer to. It
> has been taught always in
> the unpopular school of Theosophy that the astral
> light reverses the images,
> just as science knows the image at the retina is not
> upright. 
> 
> Not only have the Cabalists said us, but also the
> Eastern schools, and those
> who now have studied these doctrines along
> Theosophical lines have
> discovered it to be a fact. So the untrained
> clairvoyant may see a number or
> amount backwards, or an object upside down in whole
> or in part. The reliance
> we can place on the observations of untrained people
> in ordinary life the
> scientific schools and courts of law have long ago
> discovered; 
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