Theos-Talk Archives (April 2005 Message tt00458)

Dear Anand and all,

I have read these scripts.
They will not move my view one single inch upon the situation about
whether to use the CWL books as a vital basis for children at a possible 
wisdom school.
And I claim that a lot of parents will not allow it to happen.


Try this excerpt from CWL's "Our Relation to Children"

"Shaping the Child's Future

It is simply impossible to exaggerate the plasticity of these unformed 
vehicles. We know that the physical body of a child, if only its training be 
begun at a sufficiently early age, may be modified to a very considerable 
extent. An acrobat, for example, will take a boy of five or six years old, 
whose bones and muscles are not yet as hardened and firmly set as ours are, 
and will gradually accustom his limbs and body to take readily and with 
comfort all sorts of positions, which would be absolutely impossible for 
most of us even with any amount of training. Yet our own bodies at the same 
age differed in no essential respect from that boy's, and if they had been 
put through the same exercises they would have become as supple and elastic 
as his, though now that they are definitely set no efforts that we could 
make, however long continued, could give them the same easy flexibility.

Now if the physical body of a child is thus plastic and readily impressible, 
his astral and mental vehicles are far more so. They thrill in response to 
every vibration which they encounter, and are eagerly receptive with regard 
to all influences, whether good or evil, which emanate from those around 
them. And they resemble the physical body also in this other 
characteristic - that though in early youth they are so susceptible and so 
easily moulded, they very soon set and stiffen and acquire definite habits, 
which when once firmly established can be altered only with great 
difficulty.

When we realize this, we see at once the extreme importance of the 
surroundings in which a child passes his earliest years, and the heavy 
responsibility which rests upon every parent to see that the conditions of 
the child's development are as good as they can be made. The little creature 
is as clay in our hands, to mould almost as we will; moment by moment the 
germs of good or evil quality brought over from the last birth are awakening 
into activity; moment by moment are being built up those vehicles which will 
condition the whole of his after-life; and it rests with us to awaken the 
germ of good, to starve out the germ of evil. To a far larger extent than is 
ever realized by even the fondest parents, the child's future is under their 
control.

Think of all the friends whom you know so well, and try to imagine what 
splendid specimens of humanity they would be if all their good qualities 
were enormously intensified, and all the less estimable features absolutely 
weeded out of their characters.

That is the result which it is in your power to produce in your child if you 
do your full duty by him; such a specimen of humanity you may make him if 
you will but take the trouble. "
http://www.theosophical.ca/ChildRelation.htm
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Yes - CWL likes his "clay" to be moulded by his own hands allright.
Just as the child's future was and is under the parents control - we have a 
Leadbeater who failed
to mould the group of children is his own care.
And none of the TS Adyar promoters wonders why.

(Quoting CWL in the above: "To a far larger extent than is ever realized by 
even the fondest parents, the child's future is under their control. ")
That sentence is truly a "dangerous" kind theosophical teaching !!!
Not that I disagree with that sentence. But that just shows me how much CWL 
got it all wrong
when he failed to "mould" the children is his care.
So what - Damodar also made mistakes.
But let us recognise the mistakes.

I am in a disagreement about TS Adyar's stance and view upon Leadbeater.
A stance which is clearly reflected on the TS-Adyar website and at Quest 
books.
And I hope you will understand how Parents will react to the above
if they learn about the rumors of CWL's masturbation activities and the 
like.
Do you understand the importance of this Anand?
There a theosophically related groups doing their best to combat
the prevalent child-abuse in the western societies.
Would they recommend CWL's books
based on the facts about his activities? Do you think so Anand?

The book "Our Relation to Children" is hardly helpful to the theosophical 
cause.

And when Besant, Krishnamurti and others closed the CWL "shop" for the 
second time in India -
he sort of fled to Australia
and created another scandal by surrounding himself with - what one could 
call wrong social relations
(and a new sex-scandal) - while degrading the theosophical teachings down to 
a dogmatic ritual of the seven sacraments.
Of course by creating such a "shell" of a cult - he would attract many 
Seekers from the Christian camp.
But the waters had already become to muddy - and the rumors of sex-scandals 
from back then -
will today not go away even if TS Adyar and LCC
like them hushed down.
I am talking about facts Anand.
And perhaps a sad set of circumstances.


It is not so much whether CWL is unjustly being accused of anything -
it is much more a question about certain rumors, which won't walk away.
Especially because of certain facts about CWL's activities.

Because those mentioned rumors won't walk away
some of us ask you to promote a better alternative to a children wisdom 
school.
Give us a better alternative Anand.
Do you have one?

I do care Anand - and I am very interested
in your stance.



from
M. Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re:AnandGholap.Net, Mr. Leadbeater is King of All 
Occultists


> Morten,
> I would suggest you read book 'Our Relation to Children' It is there
> at www.AnandGholap.Net Tell me your opinion about that. I have
> Hodson's excellent pamphlet on education with rare insights.
> Anand Gholap
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
> theosophy@s...> wrote:
> > A few views:
> >
> > I take that as a joke.
> > I think there has already been done efforts in that direction by
> various
> > musicians.
> > There are analogical vibrations, which are related to the music of
> the
> > higher spheres.
> > The sounds of cosmos if you like.
> >
> > An example:
> > John Williams is a great composer in that direction - although he
> is not
> > recognised
> > as a major pop musician.
> > :-)
> > (my non-alien smile...)
> >
> > Let us be serious a while.
> > The books about Harry Potter are quite interesting - since they are
> > considering the
> > possibility of a children wisdom school compared with the quite
> ordinary
> > schools of today.
> > The ordinary children schools of today - can be said to have as
> their main
> > objectives to create big brains
> > and make the children ready to get a job. There is no wisdom in
> such
> > schools.
> >
> > Children love wisdom - but many grown ups are afraid to admit, that
> it might
> > be something real.
> > The journalists, politician, religious leaders and other leaders in
> society
> > has a great responsibility
> > when they neclect or downplay the possible existence of wisdom.
> >
> > But creating a childrens wisdom school, which are basing their
> views upon
> > the books of C. W. Leadbeater
> > seems quite out of the question - as far as many parents are
> concerned.
> > Well, I guess apart from some fanatical
> > and ignorant ones.
> > So what is the alternative, my dear Anand ?
> > (I ask an important question. Will I get a wise answer?)
> >
> >
> > M. Sufilight