Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00613)

Ego means soul or higher self.When we say only Self it means 
consciousness or Monad. Higher self means Monad with three principles 
Atma, Buddhi and higher mind. So higher self and Self are two 
different terms.
It is the soul that evolves in various lives. Personality or lower 
three bodies die after each life. Soul or Ego remains. It is soul 
that evolves and it's evolution is important for people. Personality 
should be used in such a way that soul evolves.
Leadbeater is trying to say that use personality or life in this 
world in such a way that soul evolves and thereby getting closer to 
self realization. 
Students of occultism try to withdraw consciousness from personality 
or lower three bodies. So consciousness gets focussed in higher self 
and later it's 'attention' is withdrawn from higher self and focussed 
on itself(i.e. on monad). That is ultimate state. So focussing 
attention on higher self is a stage.

Anand Gholap



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
theosophy@s...> wrote:
> Hallo Anand,
> 
> 
> I agree with your below view.
> 
> So why did CWL then put so much emphasis on
> meditating on the higher self also known as the Ego?
> 
> Quoting your previous email on CWL at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/23219:
> 
> The man who understands
> > realizes that the only important thing is the life of the ego, and
> > that its progress is the object for which the temporary 
personality
> > must be used. Therefore when he has to decide between two possible
> > courses he thinks not, as the ordinary man might: "Which will 
bring
> > the greater pleasure and profit to me as a personality?" 
but "Which
> > will bring greater progress to me as an ego?"
> 
> You see I have difficulties with CWL's statement that the only -
"important 
> thing is the life of the ego".
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@A...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:46 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Many Theos-talk members love and respect 
> Leadbeater.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Brmhan word is not used much by CWL. In some old works Bramhan 
means
> > God. In meditation we don't concentrate on Ego. It is said that
> > consciousness or Monad is on Monadic plane which above Atmic 
plane.
> > So if in your terminology Atma=Bramhan=Consciousness=Self, then 
you
> > may concentrate on Atma(to express it in your terminology)
> > See, when consciousness withdraws from external things in all 
lower
> > planes like astral, mental, physical then what remains ? Then
> > consciousness focusses on itself. Supposing that you are 
discussing
> > with ten people in your room and TV is on. You are aware of 
things in
> > physical plane. Now all of these people go out, you turn off TV,
> > lights and music. Then you are aware of your own thoughts and
> > emotions. So you have withdrawn to some extent focus of attention
> > from physical plane. Similarly it should withdraw from all lower
> > planes below Monadic plane.
> > Anand Gholap
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
> > theosophy@s...> wrote:
> >> Hallo Anand,
> >>
> >> But Anand I think I was referring to the fact that Atma = 
Brahman,
> >> and that to meditate on Brahman would be to meditate upon ones
> > inner self.
> >> So I ask again would it be allright to meditate upon Atma - or
> > Brahman
> >> or is it absolutely required as so very important to meditate 
upon
> > the Ego -
> >> also known as the Higher self ???
> >>
> >>
> >> You wrote:
> >> "But in meditation consciousness should withdraw
> >> > from outer things and focus on itself."
> >>
> >> My answer:
> >> Well - yes, but how do you define outer things or beings?
> >> Is it only the physical - or is it also the astral or mental 
ones ?
> >>
> >>
> >> M. Sufilight
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@A...>
> >> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:03 PM
> >> Subject: Theos-World Re: Many Theos-talk members love and respect
> >> Leadbeater.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > One should first know what terminology author is using. Annie
> > Besant
> >> > standardised terminology which was followed strictly by all
> > authors
> >> > later in Adyar TS. Ego means higher self or soul. In long 
series
> > of
> >> > lives this soul or ego evolves. So it's evolution is 
important. In
> >> > meditation consciousness should try to consciousness itself. In
> > most
> >> > people consciousness focusses attention on external things
> > perceived
> >> > by various bodies. But in meditation consciousness should 
withdraw
> >> > from outer things and focus on itself.
> >> > God means Parabramha which is described as "Of the Absolute, 
the
> >> > Infinite, the All-embracing, we can at our present
> >> > stage know nothing, except that It is; we can say nothing that 
is
> > not
> >> > a limitation, and therefore inaccurate "
> >> > It is true that nobody knows much about Parabramha or God. But
> > when
> >> > occultist makes progress he knows unity of all.
> >> > Logos does not have gender male or female as far as I know.
> >> > Theosophy is complex so if a beginner is evolved intellectually
> > and
> >> > to some extent spiritually, he would like books of Leadbeater.
> >> >
> >> > Anand Gholap
> >> >
> >> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
> >> > theosophy@s...> wrote:
> >> >> Being an honest seeker, who also have seen Harry Potter,
> >> >> I have a few questions:
> >> >>
> >> >> Is CWL suggesting, that one should concentrate upon the Ego, 
but
> >> > not upon
> >> >> God / Brahman ?
> >> >> Or what is he suggesting ?
> >> >> Should I meditate on my Ego and not on God/Brahman as Atma ?
> >> >>
> >> >> I quote CWL:
> >> >> "Of the Absolute, the Infinite, the All-embracing, we can at 
our
> >> > present
> >> >> stage know nothing, except that It is; we can say nothing 
that is
> >> > not a
> >> >> limitation, and therefore inaccurate.
> >> >>
> >> >> 25.
> > In
> >> > It are
> >> >> innumerable universes; in each universe countless solar 
systems.
> >> > Each solar
> >> >> system is the expression of a mighty Being, whom we call the
> > Logos,
> >> > the Word
> >> >> of God, the Solar Deity. He is to it all that men mean by 
God. He
> >> > permeates
> >> >> it; there is nothing in it which is not He; it is the
> > manifestation
> >> > of Him
> >> >> in such matter as we can see. Yet He exists above it and 
outside
> >> > it, living
> >> >> a stupendous life of His own among His Peers. As is said in
> > Eastern
> >> >> Scripture: "Having permeated this whole universe with one
> > fragment
> >> > of
> >> >> Myself, I remain".
> >> >>
> >> >> 26.
> > Of
> >> > this
> >> >> higher life of His we can know nothing. But of the fragment of
> > His
> >> > life
> >> >> which energizes His system we may know something in the lower
> >> > levels of its
> >> >> manifestation. We may not see Him, but we may see His power at
> >> > work. No one
> >> >> who is clairvoyant can be atheistic; the evidence is too
> > tremendous.
> >> >>
> >> >> 27.
> >> > Out of
> >> >> Himself He has called this mighty system into being. We who 
are
> > in
> >> > it are
> >> >> evolving fragments of His life, Sparks of His divine Fire; 
from
> > Him
> >> > we all
> >> >> have come; into Him we shall all return.
> >> >>
> >> >> 28.
> >> > Many have
> >> >> asked why He as done this; why He (Page 10) has emanated from
> >> > Himself all
> >> >> this system; why He has sent us forth to face the storms of 
life.
> >> > We cannot
> >> >> know, nor is the question practical; suffice it that we are 
here,
> >> > and we
> >> >> must do our best. Yet many philosophers have speculated on 
this
> >> > point and
> >> >> many suggestions have been made. The most beautiful that I 
know
> > is
> >> > that of a
> >> >> Gnostic philosopher:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > 29. "God is
> >> >> Love, but Love itself cannot be perfect unless it has those 
upon
> >> > whom it can
> >> >> be lavished and by whom it can be returned. Therefore He put
> > forth
> >> > of
> >> >> Himself into matter, and He limited His glory, in order that
> >> > through this
> >> >> natural and slow process of evolution we might come into 
being;
> > and
> >> > we in
> >> >> turn according to His will are to develop until we reach even 
His
> >> > own level,
> >> >> and then the very love of God itself will become more perfect,
> >> > because it
> >> >> will then be lavished on those, His own children, who will 
fully
> >> > understand
> >> >> and return it, and so His great scheme will be realized and 
His
> >> > Will be
> >> >> done".
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Now I ask you:
> >> >> Is LOGOS as male or a female?
> >> >>
> >> >> I just ask you how this teaching by CWL would be absorbed by 
the
> >> > beginner
> >> >> Seekers of today?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -------
> >> >> A few words:
> >> >> >>> A different kind of Clairvoyance <<<
> >> >> Those interested in understanding the problems 
surrounding "the
> >> > true or
> >> >> false
> >> >> Teachers of the Theosophical arts" could with advantage read 
the
> >> > content of
> >> >> the following link and
> >> >> use the words Theossophy as Theosophical/Theosophy= 
Sufi/Sufism
> > or
> >> > similar:
> >> >> http://www.katinkahesselink.net/sufi/sufi-shah.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> from
> >> >> M. Sufilight with a friendly smile...
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@A...>
> >> >> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:08 PM
> >> >> Subject: Theos-World Re: Many Theos-talk members love and 
respect
> >> >> Leadbeater.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Here are some points.
> >> >> > " The object of the whole previous evolution has been to
> > produce
> >> > the
> >> >> > ego as a manifestation of the Monad. Then the ego in its 
turn
> >> > evolves
> >> >> > by putting itself down into a succession of personalities. 
Men
> >> > who do
> >> >> > not understand this look upon the personality as the self, 
and
> >> >> > consequently live for it alone, and try to regulate their 
lives
> >> > for
> >> >> > what appears to be its temporary advantage. The man who
> >> > understands
> >> >> > realizes that the only important thing is the life of the 
ego,
> > and
> >> >> > that its progress is the object for which the temporary
> >> > personality
> >> >> > must be used. Therefore when he has to decide between two
> > possible
> >> >> > courses he thinks not, as the ordinary man might: "Which 
will
> >> > bring
> >> >> > the greater pleasure and profit to me as a personality?"
> >> > but "Which
> >> >> > will bring greater progress to me as an ego?" Experience 
soon
> >> > teaches
> >> >> > him that nothing can ever be really good for him, or for any
> > one,
> >> >> > which is not good for all, and so presently he learns to 
forget
> >> >> > himself altogether, and to ask only what will be best for
> >> > humanity as
> >> >> > a whole. "
> >> >> > Complete book can be read at
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.anandgholap.net/Textbook_Of_Theosophy-CWL.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anand Gholap
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