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Re: Theos-World Re: Many Theos-talk members love and respect Leadbeater.

Mar 26, 2005 11:27 AM
by M. Sufilight


Hallo Anand,

But Anand I think I was referring to the fact that Atma = Brahman,
and that to meditate on Brahman would be to meditate upon ones inner self.
So I ask again would it be allright to meditate upon Atma - or Brahman
or is it absolutely required as so very important to meditate upon the Ego -
also known as the Higher self ???


You wrote:
"But in meditation consciousness should withdraw
from outer things and focus on itself."
My answer:
Well - yes, but how do you define outer things or beings?
Is it only the physical - or is it also the astral or mental ones ?


M. Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Many Theos-talk members love and respect Leadbeater.



One should first know what terminology author is using. Annie Besant
standardised terminology which was followed strictly by all authors
later in Adyar TS. Ego means higher self or soul. In long series of
lives this soul or ego evolves. So it's evolution is important. In
meditation consciousness should try to consciousness itself. In most
people consciousness focusses attention on external things perceived
by various bodies. But in meditation consciousness should withdraw
from outer things and focus on itself.
God means Parabramha which is described as "Of the Absolute, the
Infinite, the All-embracing, we can at our present
stage know nothing, except that It is; we can say nothing that is not
a limitation, and therefore inaccurate "
It is true that nobody knows much about Parabramha or God. But when
occultist makes progress he knows unity of all.
Logos does not have gender male or female as far as I know.
Theosophy is complex so if a beginner is evolved intellectually and
to some extent spiritually, he would like books of Leadbeater.

Anand Gholap

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
theosophy@s...> wrote:
Being an honest seeker, who also have seen Harry Potter,
I have a few questions:

Is CWL suggesting, that one should concentrate upon the Ego, but
not upon
God / Brahman ?
Or what is he suggesting ?
Should I meditate on my Ego and not on God/Brahman as Atma ?

I quote CWL:
"Of the Absolute, the Infinite, the All-embracing, we can at our
present
stage know nothing, except that It is; we can say nothing that is
not a
limitation, and therefore inaccurate.

25. In
It are
innumerable universes; in each universe countless solar systems.
Each solar
system is the expression of a mighty Being, whom we call the Logos,
the Word
of God, the Solar Deity. He is to it all that men mean by God. He
permeates
it; there is nothing in it which is not He; it is the manifestation
of Him
in such matter as we can see. Yet He exists above it and outside
it, living
a stupendous life of His own among His Peers. As is said in Eastern
Scripture: "Having permeated this whole universe with one fragment
of
Myself, I remain".

26. Of
this
higher life of His we can know nothing. But of the fragment of His
life
which energizes His system we may know something in the lower
levels of its
manifestation. We may not see Him, but we may see His power at
work. No one
who is clairvoyant can be atheistic; the evidence is too tremendous.

27.
Out of
Himself He has called this mighty system into being. We who are in
it are
evolving fragments of His life, Sparks of His divine Fire; from Him
we all
have come; into Him we shall all return.

28.
Many have
asked why He as done this; why He (Page 10) has emanated from
Himself all
this system; why He has sent us forth to face the storms of life.
We cannot
know, nor is the question practical; suffice it that we are here,
and we
must do our best. Yet many philosophers have speculated on this
point and
many suggestions have been made. The most beautiful that I know is
that of a
Gnostic philosopher:


29. "God is
Love, but Love itself cannot be perfect unless it has those upon
whom it can
be lavished and by whom it can be returned. Therefore He put forth
of
Himself into matter, and He limited His glory, in order that
through this
natural and slow process of evolution we might come into being; and
we in
turn according to His will are to develop until we reach even His
own level,
and then the very love of God itself will become more perfect,
because it
will then be lavished on those, His own children, who will fully
understand
and return it, and so His great scheme will be realized and His
Will be
done".


Now I ask you:
Is LOGOS as male or a female?

I just ask you how this teaching by CWL would be absorbed by the
beginner
Seekers of today?


-------
A few words:
>>> A different kind of Clairvoyance <<<
Those interested in understanding the problems surrounding "the
true or
false
Teachers of the Theosophical arts" could with advantage read the
content of
the following link and
use the words Theossophy as Theosophical/Theosophy= Sufi/Sufism or
similar:
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/sufi/sufi-shah.html



from
M. Sufilight with a friendly smile...

----- Original Message ----- From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@A...>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:08 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Many Theos-talk members love and respect
Leadbeater.


>
>
> Here are some points.
> " The object of the whole previous evolution has been to produce
the
> ego as a manifestation of the Monad. Then the ego in its turn
evolves
> by putting itself down into a succession of personalities. Men
who do
> not understand this look upon the personality as the self, and
> consequently live for it alone, and try to regulate their lives
for
> what appears to be its temporary advantage. The man who
understands
> realizes that the only important thing is the life of the ego, and
> that its progress is the object for which the temporary
personality
> must be used. Therefore when he has to decide between two possible
> courses he thinks not, as the ordinary man might: "Which will
bring
> the greater pleasure and profit to me as a personality?"
but "Which
> will bring greater progress to me as an ego?" Experience soon
teaches
> him that nothing can ever be really good for him, or for any one,
> which is not good for all, and so presently he learns to forget
> himself altogether, and to ask only what will be best for
humanity as
> a whole. "
> Complete book can be read at
>
> http://www.anandgholap.net/Textbook_Of_Theosophy-CWL.htm
>
> Anand Gholap
>
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