Theos-Talk Archives (March 2005 Message tt00213)

Mar 12, 2005



RE: Solar and Lunar as Higher and Lower Mind 





Dear C and Friends:





I have not read anything on this from HPB that makes it clear. But if you
have any, could give me the references? So if I say anything, it may be
purely inference based on principles I am aware of, and largely speculation
on my part.



First. I am sure that the economy of Nature has placed relevant
analogies and correspondences throughout her systems, including ours. These
correspondences enable and facilitate communication and ideas - to travel at
incredible speeds -- wherein distance and time are not the same delaying
factors we encounter in our daily encountered physical world.



Second. This enables communication between the 7 principles of man and
also their communication through the physical brain (actings as a
switchboard), so that there can be an outward expression to others of them -
by speech, writing or any other means. 



Third. Between incoming sense impressions and ideas, and those which the
Real EGO inside and behind the brain generates and chooses to express -
there is an intense but almost immediate activity and response that
evaluates the incoming, and then, responds appropriately to them as outgoing
thoughts, feelings words and actions. There are it seems two areas of
contrasting reflection, consideration and response. And these two are
presided over by the HIGHER SELF (the ATMA) This duality has been named in
THEOSOPHY BUDDHI and KAMA. (Or: (1) Wisdom / Idealism, and (2) Desire /
Self-interested emotion.



This condition inside of us is like you or me when we use a computer - the
computer is like the brain, it is an instrument - a switchboard. 



It receives incoming e-mail and after consideration the thought of the
correspondent is written and sent. 



We all know the computer does not do this on its own, it has not the kind of
individual or personal consciousness that enables it to act INDEPENDENTLY of
human control. Thus all responsibility is focussed on the unseen and
intangible controlling human factor. 



The electronic computer is recognized as a tool, but the electronic activity
of the brain is mistakenly identified with the creation of thought and
decisions. We have not yet developed (as a part of our independent and
manipulative capacity) the tools necessary to penetrate behind the material
surface-operations of the physical brain, although all physiologists and
psychologists have received strong evidence of that existence. 



It is this controlling human factor we have to study to be able to advance
in occultism. Occultism is a knowledge of the secret powers and factors of
the MIND and of the reincarnating immortal EGO [BUDDHI-MANAS presided over
by the HIGHER SELF -- ATMA].



We may say that occultism is the study of the development in the human mind
(KAMA-MANAS) - or that which we call our own conscious, intelligent, mental
and emotional workings -- using our LOWER MIND as a tool for observation and
strictly honest, accurate and impersonal measurement. 



Any IDEAL (related to the principle BUDDHI) is of course an impersonal and a
universal one, so that no isolated aspect of self-interest can possibly
enter into it. In this process selfish and isolating emotion and desire are
carefully separated from impersonal thought and universal, practical
idealism.



Fourth. It is said that everyone in life tries to: "put their best foot
forward." And whether it is the right or left side of the brain is not
important; but, the quality of our motive is. 



You will find, I think that motive is the most important aspect of our life.
Most don't realize this, and so, little importance has been placed on
determining what motive is chosen, and whether there is value in using it to
shape our choices or making recommendations.



Five We live in a materialistic civilization and its influences are a
part of our lives - as you observe in the relations of parents and children
and school activities.



One thing we are asked to observe is that between the astral and the
physical planes and principles, there is an inversion or a reversal.



The phenomena of activity registered in regard to volition and thought in
our human brains may be located in many parts of the Brain. Just as many
parts of a computer are needed to coordinate a sensible response. 



Some experiments tend to locate response and activity to the left or right
sides of the average brain. ( What about a "yogi's" responses ?) Men's
response areas and women's response areas in the brain may differ, but the
significance is still unknown.



The whole area is experimental and the reports we receive illustrate the
nature of trips into discovery land. 



But there is evidence that all this has been done ages ago. I have always
noticed that the construction of our physiological organs and their
activities have been arranged by Nature (the Universe, and its secret laws
and creations) far earlier than our probing and recent observations have
revealed.



Next: It is apparent that ancient Indian psycho-physiologists far long ago
had determined certain correlations. But what we have been able to read in
the nature of translated information from them is to be carefully verified.
The Vedas and other scriptures of ancient India will be found to conceal
several codes wherein truths and knowledge is concealed in several ways.
They cannot be interpreted literally. 



There is large gap between modern methods of gross physical observation and
measurement and the ancient India approach using the keenly honed and
carefully directed Mind, as a non-destructive tool, that could be directed
in a harmless way to examine, not only the physiological actions that arise
from thought / feelings, but, they carefully distinguished between the two
-- which modern psycho-physiology does not understand or admit to in the
rigorous way the ancients did.



In other words the 7 principles of Man and their interaction has not been
first admitted as being profoundly causal. But even more important, the
concept that Man is an immortal MONAD (ATMA-BUDDHI), and each incarnation
is just a step forward, a "day at school," needs to be taken as a primary
base. 



Prior even to that, one has to assume that the commencement of all
"evolution" and "development" gives evidence of: 



(1) the descent of SPIRIT into matter, 



(2) the development of a virtuous MIND, and, 



(3) the MATTER being thus spiritualized and made pure by self-effort, is
raised out of the domination of KAMA (selfish desire) into the estate of
BUDDHI-MANAS (the spiritual mind) of the MAHATMA.



It is said that the Mahatmas were once men such as we are, and they
graduated from the "School of Life" ages ago, and remain as our friends,
Elder Brothers and instructors alive on Earth today. 



THEOSOPHY would say that one has to learn, first of all, the "spiritual
heredity" of man's physiological origins, and then when that has been
grasped, an observation of the part played by emotion and desire (Kama) has
to be identified.



Finally, the vista of investigation would seem to demand that the
investigator or scientist be able to act in harmony with the patient in a
non-destructive fashion. To achieve this, the psychological areas we
presently classify (generally and still very grossly) of thought, will and
feeling can be more carefully probed (following ancient methods) and
reinterpreted in the present.



There are NO short-cuts to this ancient and time-tested method. The person
doing the testing" has first, themselves to become pure of motive i.e.:
unselfish and universal). 



We notice that there is a kind of vainglorious motive activating most
scientific research whereby the urge to be the first to describe or
demonstrate one or other of the installations of OLD NATURE is exposed. 



That is unessential in reality, as a use of any such information can lead to
abuse in the hands of those who know little or nothing of man's complete
nature -- starting with the IMMORTAL MONAD in each human, as the CAUSAL
BEING. 



Reincarnation as a process, and the gradual schooling of every human being
as the intention and objective of Nature, has to be seen, understood and
admitted. If this is not done on an impersonal and universal basis nothing
of practical value will ever emerge.



Such activity, either by self-will (What is that? What is the motive? ) or
from external stimulus (to be most carefully defined as to quality and
patient personality history) needs to be classified and identified. 



I have always felt that the division of left-brain and right-brain was
arbitrary -- a rough consideration but not to be interpreted as causal in
any way. In our current system of observation and measurement we are
observing effects, not CAUSES. We are, so to speak, observing the electronic
actions of the 'brain-computer in use.'



The ancient science of psychology and its relation to physiology in Indian
Literature seems largely to relate to the Vedas and commentaries thereon.



Therefore our use of specific words (not fully defined) designating the
parts of the human psychology, devised and used by ancient wise men (and
retranslated by persons who were NOT HPB) is for the present a puzzle for
all of us.



I find it difficult to make specific responses to your inquiry, as I do not
yet have such knowledge. And were I to obtain it, I would be most careful.
Wouldn't you?



How can anyone have "happiness" without wisdom and knowledge of what it is
right to do? Where do we secure a true knowledge of the essentials of
"right livelihood?" We have the "Ten Commandments." Do we practice them
rigorously? Here is a simpler rendition:



Kill not -- for Pity's sake -- and lest ye slay
The meanest thing upon its upward way.



Give freely and receive, but take from none
By greed, or force or fraud, what is his own.



Bear not false witness, slander not, nor lie;
Truth is the speech of inward purity.



Shun drugs and drinks which work the wit abuse;
Clear minds, clean bodies, need no Soma juice.



Touch not thy neighbor's wife, neither commit
Sins of the flesh unlawful and unfit.



On Education, I refer you to HPB's The KEY TO THEOSOPHY 



Here is a small portion of it:



"The best -- i. e., the most truth-loving, philanthropic, and honest -- of
our Fellows were, and are, Agnostics and Atheists (disbelievers in a
personal God). But there are no free-thinking boys and girls, and generally
early training will leave its mark behind in the shape of a cramped and
distorted mind. 



A proper and sane system of education should produce the most vigorous and
liberal mind, strictly trained in logical and accurate thought, and not in
blind faith. How can you ever expect good results, while you pervert the
reasoning faculty of your children by bidding them believe in the miracles
of the Bible on Sunday, while for the six other days of the week you teach
them that such things are scientifically impossible? 



ENQUIRER. What would you have, then? 



THEOSOPHIST. If we had money, we would found schools which would turn out
something else than reading and writing candidates for starvation. Children
should above all be taught self-reliance, love for all men, altruism, mutual
charity, and more than anything else, to think and reason for themselves. 



We would reduce the purely mechanical work of the memory to an absolute
minimum, and devote the time to the development and training of the inner
senses, faculties and latent capacities. 



We would endeavour to deal with each child as a unit, and to educate it so
as to produce the most harmonious and equal unfoldment of its powers, in
order that its special aptitudes should find their full natural development.




We should aim at creating free men and women, free
intellectually, free morally, unprejudiced in all respects, and above all
things, unselfish. And we believe that much if not all of this could be
obtained by proper and truly theosophical education. " Key, pp. 270-1



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I hope this proves to be of some help.



Best wishes,



Dallas





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-----Original Message-----

From: christinalee

Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:42 AM

To: 

Subject: Solar and Lunar as Higher and Lower Mind (Dallas)







Hallo Dallas,



I think I found the corresponding factor in the Solar Higher Mind 

takes part in the Right Brain department and is corresponding with 

the SUN in West which is the Left eye. That all needs to be in balance 

with the Lunar Lower Mind in the part of the Left brain part and 

corresponds to East Moon and the Right eye.



The brain parts are working crosswise on the eyes.



In other words the Right side of the brain controls the Left side of 

the body.( see Roger Sperry's findings in this= though still in the 

initial stages, shows each side of the brain handles a completely 

opposite but complementary mode of consciousness = very impotent for 

a Yogi.



The circuits of the brain are based on Ida and Pingala, consciousness 

or knowledge and action or physical energy. We see Ida and Pingala at 

all Three Major levels of the Nervous system..



Also there is the difference in Man's Ida and Pingala and Woman's. Also 

crossed Left and Right.



So if the schools learn children to use both brain parts, the 

individual can explore his own balance as strain, exertion and relax. In 

our country some schools use to do this, but not looking to the 

person. All have to sit and to listen and all are pushed in the same 

way of discipline. From there you make robots of them and workaholics 

and the competition factor, to be better than the others and that 

gives materialistic way of living and that makes unhappy!



If we say competition is good, for all needs to be some best, but the 

others have other best qualities. So even there needs to be harmony.

As you play volleyball you needs a good team and you have by changing 

the place.



I see the best with my son, he have his own drawing book and paintings to
make and use it when he wants.



So if there is to much brainstorming he can relax in the creative way. And
from there I can see his development.



The beginning of a better world starts with the teachings of the
fundamentals for the development in happiness. As well as young and adults.
The young ones have nothing on a adult teacher, who is not aware of that.
The same applies for parents.



Learning and listening and relaxation(painting, drawing, building (Knex) and
all kinds of art.)



Knowledge and Creativity.



So why the parents from now have not learned this?



Where we can learn better than in a non materialistic kind of school!



Vr Gr Christina







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