Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00744)

Well Lama Yeshe mentions the following:

Therefore it should be emphasized that until we have gained mastery 
over our subtle body and have 'embraced' the blissful kundalini 
energy dormant within, we are not at all qualified to embrace an 
external consort..."

Well as far as I know in the Boddhisatva's path sexual intercourse 
is not allowed and marriege fellows are accepted but as Laicos 
chelas, so how can affirm that one after acquiring such controls can 
be embrace an external consort. Yeah Tson Ka Pa may have teached 
tantric philosophy but I am sure not this kind of tantra promoted by 
Lama Yeche which is for me but left hand. Or you do not know that in 
the Vinaya Pitaka sexual intercourse is forbidden and even release 
of sperm except if it happens during dreams?

Erica


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Konstantin Zaitzev" 
<kay_ziatz@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Erica Letzerich 
<eletzerich@y...> 
> wrote:
> > I don't think a gelugpa woul be writing about Tantra as the Lama
> > Yeshe does, the tantric practices are opposite to the practices 
of
> > the gelugpa school and the followers of Tson-Ka-Pa. I am sorry 
but
> > it is not easy as it seems.
> 
>  
> Nevertheless, Dalai Lama wrote positively about tantric practices
> and his representative in Moscow Jampa Tinley, from whom I have
> taken a Buddhist refuge, probably teaches some of them, though
> I am not sure for I got no transmission from him. But I've heard
> that his pupils practice tantra of Yamantaka.
> 
> Tzonkhapa himself quotes tantric texts in abundance. In his
> Lamrim Chenmo (Great guide on the path to awakening), vol. III,
> he writes:
> 
> "As is well-known there are many discrepancies between Higher and
> Lower vehicles and also between Sutras and Tantras as to which
> things are permitted and which are prohibited. And for those who
> are clouded in ignorance and deprived of keenness of mind it's
> hard to find a true meaning of inembraceable word [of Buddha]:
> it seems contradictory, if one individual performs both practices.
> But it is not a contradiction at all for the wise ones, and due
> wisdom it is quite possible. For unwise there is an infinite
> number of such contradictions, which don't exist for a wise.
> ...
> Those who want to practice Dharma right way, need be better versed
> in the flawless Word and the treatises, what is a highest base for
> the generation of wisdom of careful investigation — realization of
> the phenomena what is a holy essence of the Path.
> ...
> Having flawless and full guide, even though concise, and an
> interpretation of Sutras, Tantras and of all the path of Higher
> and Lower vehicles [i.e. Mahayana & Hinayana — K.Z.] we shall be
> able to follow whole Teaching, what is necessary. Otherwise,
> without attaining that, we are content of one-sided practice only,
> not knowing how to put to practice all the Teaching as a whole."
> 
> 
> Here I gave a translation from Russian. An english translation
> also exists, it is made by Alex Wayman, though I don't know is it
> full or not.