Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00314)

Pedro Wrote:
"If Leadbeater's books or views caused dissention and division, they 
were not regarded for what they were - points of view - but something
that contradicted the accepted and authoritative truth that many 
held dear. This last attitude, IMO, contradicts the very spirit in 
which
the Founders of the TS worked and toiled."



"Points of view" ?!?
Leadbeater repeatedly made pronouncements and authoritative 
statements that have clearly and demonstrably been shown here on 
this forum.

History bears witness to the fact that his books and statements 
cannot to this very day be challenged in official Adyar publications 
by sincere truth seekers and students of theosophy.

These facts Pedro show how the Adyar society "contradicts the very 
spirit in which the Founders of the TS worked and toiled."

For myself I will not support history being forgotten or blurred 
simply because it's to uncomfortable or embarrassing to faced 
squarely so that closure and onward progress can start to be made 
for the movement as a whole.

This forum is one place where opposing and `different points of 
view' can be FREELY aired without the fear of censorship in the true
theosophical spirit.
If only the TS could follow its good example.

Perry





--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@c...> 
wrote:
> Pedro,
> 
> John's address was spoken of at the time as the "keynote address." 
Yes, 
> you are correct, it was the last talk (which is in itself 
important to 
> note), but he did not speak as one of the panel of speakers. In 
fact, 
> he was with Shirley Nicholson the panel moderator and he was the 
time 
> keeper. 
> 
> You are also correct that John did not make a direct statement 
that the 
> Adyar TS was the only true Theosophical Society. To have done so 
would 
> have polarized the audience. If you go back to my original 
statement, I 
> said that he made that "point." I carefully selected my words 
when I 
> made that statement. I also point out that very few Adyar TS 
members 
> even caught the meaning of what he was saying, but non Adyar TS 
members 
> did understand. Also keep in mind that because of conversations I 
have 
> had with John Algeo, Joy Mills and Shirley Nicholson, I was 
already 
> perfectly aware of their attitudes towards the Networking 
movement. You 
> might also consider that if they were to have made a clear 
statement of 
> policy against Networking, it would have just created dissent 
among the 
> members. Not supporting and quietly undermining the effort is 
much more 
> effective.
> 
> There was a lot going on at that meeting that was not spoken, not 
> translatable to a tape recorder, but transmitted in other ways. 
> 
> Yes, Eldon Tucker was also present.
> 
> --j
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> prmoliveira wrote:
> 
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@c...> 
> >wrote:
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> > 
> >
> >>John Algeo, who we had speak at the 1984 conference, gave the 
key 
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> >note 
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> >>address at the 94 Conference. He spoke for about forty minutes--
> >> 
> >>
> >and here 
> > 
> >
> >>is the sad irony to what you wrote above. John's talk was not 
> >> 
> >>
> >about 
> > 
> >
> >>inter-Theosophical unity. Rather, at the high point of his 
> >> 
> >>
> >speech, he 
> > 
> >
> >>cited the Letter from the Maha-Chohan as proof that the Adyar TS 
> >> 
> >>
> >was the 
> > 
> >
> >>only true TS. In other words, he completely deconstructed the 
> >> 
> >>
> >entire 
> > 
> >
> >>purpose of the conference. 
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> >
> >
> >Jerry:
> >
> >I had an opportunity to see the video of the 1994 Inter-
Theosophical 
> >Dialogue: The Theosophical Movement - Past & Future. John Algeo 
was 
> >not the keynote speaker; he was the last of a panel of speakers 
to 
> >address the gathering, and he spoke for approximately 15 min. He 
> >even invoked the memory of Eunice Layton to end his speech before 
> >the appointed time. Shirley Nicholson, who was chairing the 
meeting, 
> >had given the speakers in the panel up to 20 min each (which 
Nancy 
> >and John Coker shared). Incidentally, you also spoke for 15 min 
in 
> >the opening panel and I was interested to see your approach of 
> >paradigm shifts within the Adyar TS, for example. I was also 
> >impressed with Alan Donant's talk. 
> >
> >Nowhere in his presentation did John Algeo say that the Adyar TS 
was 
> >the only true Theosophical Society. He did quote the Mahachohan's 
> >communication through K.H. - "the Theosophical Society was chosen 
as 
> >the cornerstone of the future religions of humanity", and he made 
it 
> >clear that it was a statement made in 1881. He did comment on 
parts 
> >of the Chohan's letter and their (according to him, Algeo) 
> >connections with the three Objects of the TS. It would be 
> >interesting to hear other comments of how John's talk was 
perceived.
> >
> >As you said, he did not address the question of networking among 
> >theosophical organisations, but presented instead the educational 
> >vision of the TS in America. Although some of the speakers 
addressed 
> >the need for networking, others presented the contribution of 
their 
> >own organisations to the past (and the potential future) of the 
> >Theosophical Movement.
> >
> >You made it clear in your previous post how difficult the 
situation 
> >was at that time and the video shows how nervous some of the 
> >speakers were. After the closing of the morning programme, the 
> >camera was left on and I could see some of the familiar faces 
that I 
> >had seen in 1983. I think I also saw Eldon Tucker in the group of 
> >people who were leaving the hall. Was he there?
> >
> >
> >Pedro 
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> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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