Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00289)

Your last paragraph was just perfect
I was very sad to hear (read) you... Very sad, indeed, what happened 
there, in Germany
While i was reading your post
i remembered a letter from one mahatma where the master criticizes 
Olcott for staying silent when listening to someone criticizing HPB. 
He was criticized by the master for not defending her (if he trully 
believed on HPB) for the one who stays in silence, agrees with what 
is being said. The master says that a true theosophist is that who is 
not ashamed to proclame what he believes and who in face of a 'fellow-
brother' being 'destroyed' by criticism, like HPB, doesn't remain 
silence. 
The master was criticizing olcoot for not having answer to a 
criticism on HPB...
so, why should we remain silent?

p.s - sorry for my bad english
got a little bit carried out... 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" 
<ringding777@t...> wrote:
> Alaya, thanks for the astral flowers...:-))
> 
> Some years ago I was upset upon the intellectual 
> and spiritual degeneration within the dogmatic, 
> fanatical, uneducated groups in Germany. All the 
> lies and slanders that where ever invented against 
> HPB and Theosophy were presented, but no contrast 
> allowed (to present the arguments of the pro HPB 
> side is named hounding, unbrotherliness, 
> fundamentalism, black magic, squabbler).
> 
> Frequently I was told from the old theosophists 
> (they, who have never studied the doctrines by 
> books and/or life, claim they are right because 
> they are older!) that it is untheosophical to 
> defend Theosophy and that HPB never defended 
> Theosophy.
> 
> One splinter group in Frankfurt, renegats from the 
> Hartmann TS, claimed in their magazine that the 
> truth defends itsself and appealed to the readers 
> not to provoke dispute by defending HPB!
> 
> So I was sitting some days on my desk and 
> collected quotations from our standard literature 
> that defending Theosophy is not only allowed but a 
> sine quo non for a lay chela. The result was that 
> there group stopped all connections to me, never 
> published my contrast view and presented their 
> article on their homepage (where it is since years 
> until today). From that behaviour it can concluded 
> that even 20 or so clear quotes from HPB, Masters, 
> Judge, Purucker, Hartmann did not rise any doubt 
> on their maya or to check their arguments, they 
> believe in their unproven dogma more fanatical 
> than ever!
> 
> I am quite sure, in some centuries theosophists 
> will burn theosophists for believing that HPB knew 
> M. or that HPB believed in reincarnation. And the 
> torture theosophists will claim they are the only 
> true followers of HPB, because the tortured body 
> is but matter and matter must be destroyed!
> Frank
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alaya" <lalaya7@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:18 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: hate Leadbeater? mind 
> realms!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> CLAP CLAP CLAP to Frank!
> Very puntctual!
> plus: there is a great difference between warning 
> people of some
> danger of corrupted teachings and crictisizing 
> just for
> being 'stubborn'
> I don't think warning people is something 
> ridiculous
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank 
> Reitemeyer"
> <ringding777@t...> wrote:
> > Krishtar wrote:
> >
> > Remember that Leadbeater didn't held any
> > important office in the
> > Theosophical Society. The difference of 
> > opinion
> > and preaching wrong
> > teaching is not a sin at all. To accuse people
> > in that is just
> > ridiculous for those who call themselves
> > theosophists.
> >
> >
> > Really? I think preaching wrong teachings under
> > the false impression as coming from Shambhala or
> > the Masters of Wisdom is IMHO a big sin.
> > If not so, why did HPB and her teachers oblige
> > their theosophists to defend the true 
> > theosophical
> > teachings against pseudo-theosophical 
> > corruptions?
> > Obviously, you seem to intermix emotions which
> > spirituality - the typical maya of 
> > Leadbeaterists.
> > Frank
> 
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