Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00280)

I make krishtar words mine - very well said

"He must be responsible for this breakage between his theosophy and 
the original
teachings from the mahatmas.
He started it all, he started the division.
The worst of all IMO is that he dragged Annie B. to his inclinations, 
a woman of
great promise.
I am aware that differences of opinion are healthy and different 
inclinations
within groups are common, but a breakage like that, which corrodes 
the truth
left here by those masters is inacceptable.
This is a good example of no matter how psychic or paranormal we 
become, we
ought to " pray and watch" , in order not to fall in the traps of our 
ego."

besant was a good hearted kind woman before she got into leadbeater's 
trap


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Dal and all
> 
> The less I try not to criticize Leadbeater the more reasons I need 
to accept he was a good good intentioned Theosophist.
> He must be responsible for this breakage between his theosophy and 
the original teachings from the mahatmas.
> He started it all, he started the division.
> The worst of all IMO is that he dragged Annie B. to his 
inclinations, a woman of great promise.
> I am aware that differences of opinion are healthy and different 
inclinations within groups are common, but a breakage like that, 
which corrodes the truth left here by those masters is inacceptable.
> This is a good example of no matter how psychic or paranormal we 
become, we ought to " pray and watch" , in order not to fall in the 
traps of our ego.
> I donīt intend to express myself as being linked to a past that 
cannot - like any - be changed, but WE ALL here and everywhere have 
to, ought to be conscious from everything we do in our lives.
> When I once talked about living under the guidance of the mind 
realms and living under the conscience it is the most important for a 
theosophist.
> Like CWL and many others, his personal journey showed us that 
psychic powers and a great amount of knowledge if not going along 
with Viveka, it is only a burden for evolution.
> To develop our self-consciousness which mean to live in conscience 
is too much important, itīs more than a ton of books and data stored 
in our memory.
> It means to be conscious of every moment and also develop the 
capacity of silence the mind.
> All the insights and illumination we need is inside of us.
> 
> Krishtar
> Revolted
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: W.Dallas TenBroeck 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:13 AM
> Subject: RE: Theos-World Cooperation between different TS 
Branches in S. India
> 
> 
> 
> Feb 10 2005
> 
> Dear Doss:
> 
> I may have been in India (1927-1969) when you were there.  
> 
> I know the Bombay and Bangalore work well as also the Lodge in 
New Delhi.
> 
> Perhaps the reason for non-interaction between UNITED LODGE OF 
THEOSOPHISTS
> and THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY in India is probably because U L T  
emphasized
> the study of HPB's writings and the T S did not.
>     
> After Mr Wadia resigned from Adyar T S (1922) and put his efforts 
into
> sustaining the U L T work (back to Blavatsky) -- he was "non 
grata." 
> 
> That is of course a general observation, and my opinion.
> 
> In my opinion the philosophy and the teachings of THEOSOPHY unite 
us all.
> 
> The organizations tend to divide.  
> 
> Which outlasts ? I think the organizations arise and then fade 
unless
> sustained by careful culture of the ORIGINAL PROGRAM , and this 
includes the
> assiduous study of the "original teachings." 
> 
> Students, associates, members -- have to shoulder that work.  
Not for
> themselves, but for those who may come near and profit from that 
never
> ending stream of wisdom.
> 
> The "organizations" ought to mirror that freedom which unites, 
because it is
> of the common HEART.  
> 
> To over emphasize the recent history of errors and resulting 
divisions
> serves little purpose. Such differences can be easily resolved 
by referring
> to the original DOCUMENTS which are well preserved and widely 
available now.
> 
> 
> There are three good books that offer them, based on documents, 
and, in an
> unprejudiced open manner:
> 
> The THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT (1875-1925)
> 
> H P B The EXTRAORDINARY LIFE AND WORK OF HELENA BLAVATSKY --  
Sylvia
> CRANSTON (revised 8th Edn. 2002), Tarcher, N Y 
> 
> THE JUDGE CASE -- E. PELLETIER (2004), T S Edmonton, Canada.
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dal
> 
>    
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: MKR 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:22 PM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Cooperation between different TS Branches in 
S. India
> 
> 
> During the many decades I spent in Southern India, there was 
rarely any 
> interaction between members belonging to different theosophical 
> organizations. 
> 
> While the branches of ULT are but a few in India, there was 
> one in Bangalore where I used to live. 
> 
> While the branches belonging to 
> TS(Adyar) and ULT were in the same area and were within a mile of 
each 
> other, rarely I saw any interaction whatsoever between the 
members. To what 
> extent this was due to subtle influence from the organizational 
leaders, I 
> do not know, but cannot be ruled out. I had the opportunity of 
visiting the 
> ULT a couple of times, I did not take the initiative in meeting 
active 
> individuals in the ULT branch. I visited it out of curiosity to 
see the 
> kind of program they had, nor did at that time I had any 
historical 
> background of ULT. 
> 
> I was also unaware of the role played by Wadia while he was in 
THEOSOPHICAL
> SOCIETY (Adyar) and later in the ULT. By the way, Wadia died in 
Bangalore
> and I think city named a street after him. 
> 
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> 
> DTB That is correct. and the INDIAN INSTITUTE OF WORLD CULTURE 
which he
> also started, is located there, in Basavangudi. 
> 
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> 
> I am not aware of any efforts in other parts of India of any 
interaction
> between various theosophical organizations. At that time I did 
not give much
> thought to it. 
> 
> Only after being a subscriber to theosophical maillists, did I 
learnt some
> of the 
> historical background as to how different groups got spawned. But 
I am glad 
> that now with Internet those belonging to one or other 
organization or none 
> is able to participate in our daily discussions on theosophical 
matters. 
> 
> 
> With the growth in the Internet connectivity around the world - 
especially 
> in the third world countries - we can expect much wider growth of 
interest 
> on theosophical matters in the days to come.
> 
> mkr
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