Theos-Talk Archives (February 2005 Message tt00241)

My answer:
Thanks Cass. Since the Masters are called pure, I will go and tell my 
Master 
that.


I hope he has a sense of humour

By Purists I meant those people who will hear nothing against their own philosophies.

Cass

"M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

Hallo Cass and all,

My views are:

1.
Cass wrote:
"DONT YOU THINK THAT THIS COMES ALONG WITH THE JOB? OCCULTISM ON ITS LOWEST 
LEVEL IS SPIRITUALISM VIA MEDIUMS AND ON ITS HIGHEST LEVEL IS SPIRITUALISM 
VIA ATMA-VIDYA?"

My answer:
I think my views on this are covered very well in my latest emails to
Konstantin Zaitzev here at Thes-Talk.

H. P. Blavatsky wrote 1888
"It must be remembered that the Society was not founded as a nursery for 
forcing a supply of Occultists -- as a factory for the manufactory of 
Adepts. It was intended to stem the current of materialism, and also that of 
spiritualistic phenomenalism and the worship of the Dead. It had to guide 
the spiritual awakening that has now begun, and not to pander to psychic 
cravings which are but another form of materialism. For by "materialism" is 
meant not only an anti-philosophical negation of pure spirit, and, even 
more, materialism in conduct and action -- brutality, hypocrisy, and, above 
all, selfishness -- but also the fruits of a disbelief in all but material 
things, a disbelief which has increased enormously during the last century, 
and which has led many, after a denial of all existence other than that in 
matter, into a blind belief in the materialization of Spirit.
The tendency of modern civilization is a reaction towards animalism, towards 
a development of those qualities which conduce to the success in life of man 
as an animal in the struggle for animal existence. Theosophy seeks to 
develop the human nature in man in addition to the animal, and at the 
sacrifice of the superfluous animality which modern life and materialistic 
teachings have developed to a degree which is abnormal for the human being 
at this stage of his progress.

Men cannot all be Occultists, but they can all be Theosophists. Many who 
have never heard of the Society are Theosophists without knowing it 
themselves; for the essence of Theosophy is the perfect harmonizing of the 
divine with the human in man, the adjustment of his god-like qualities and 
aspirations, and their sway over the terrestrial or animal passions in him. 
Kindness, absence of every ill feeling or selfishness, charity, goodwill to 
all beings, and perfect justice to others as to oneself, are its chief 
features. He who teaches Theosophy preaches the gospel of goodwill; and the 
converse of this is true also -- he who preaches the gospel of goodwill, 
teaches Theosophy.

This aspect of Theosophy has never failed to receive due and full 
recognition in the pages of the "PATH," a journal of which the American 
Section has good reason to be proud. It is a teacher and a power; and the 
fact that such a periodical should be produced and supported in the United 
States speaks in eloquent praise both of its Editor and its readers. "
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-am/hpb-am1.htm



2.
Cass wrote:
"THE SO CALLED PURISTS ARE IN IT FOR THE INTELLECTUAL ORGASM. YES I AGREE 
WITH YOU THAT WHEN YOU SPEND YOUR WHOLE LIFE BEING AN EXPERT AT ONE THING, 
YOU END UP BEING AN IDIOT IN REGARD TO EVERYTHING ELSE."

My answer:
Thanks Cass. Since the Masters are called pure, I will go and tell my Master 
that.
>:-)


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Answer to Leadbeater


>
>
>
> Konstantin Zaitzev wrote:
>
>
> Dear Sufilight,
>
>> --- In theos-talk "M. Sufilight" wrote:
>
>> But if this is done with an emphasis on forgetting the impor-
>> tant doctrine of Atma-Vidya while clinging to almost promoting
>> Spiritualistic psychic cravings, unjustified ceremonial magic,
>> phallic teachings etc. etc. - we would do a bad job.
>
> ======================================================
>
> DONT YOU THINK THAT THIS COMES ALONG WITH THE JOB? OCCULTISM ON ITS LOWEST 
> LEVEL IS SPIRITUALISM VIA MEDIUMS AND ON ITS HIGHEST LEVEL IS 
> SPIRITUALISM VIA ATMA-VIDYA?
>
> I see that for some people Atma-vidya is just a set of slogans
> like quoted above, which were alredy repeated throughout many letters
> without any significant changhes. Then I'd prefer psychism
> than SUCH Atma-vidya.
>
> BUT PSYCHISM IS ONLY A HALF TRUTH!
>
>> But the use of such labels are to be avoided when we talk about the
>> beginner Seekers.
>
> I THINK MOST BEGINNERS START AT JOHN EDWARDS PSY- CHISM
>
> INTERESTING THAT WHEN YOU SPLIT IT YOU END UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE A 
> FISSURE IN YOUR PSYCHE.
>
> It depends much on their background. Blavatsky taught good teaching
> but she succeeded to repell from it as much people as possible.
>
> ====================================================
>
> SHE REPELLED THOSE SHE INTENDED TO REPEL.
>
> Secondly, her teaching is very sophisticated and can be fully
> understood only by people of high intellect. But that intellect
> is very often selfishly oriented, so the second attempt which
> came from followers was oriented to more simple-minded but
> sincere people. Not only Leadbeater has done that, those
> followers who regard themselves "pure" HPB followers, made
> their own expositions, but it seems to me that these are very
> one-sided and based on the superficial understanding. It's like
> a catholic an protestant understanding of Bible, or like mahayana
> and hinayana.
>
> THE SO CALLED PURISTS ARE IN IT FOR THE INTELLECTUAL ORGASM. YES I AGREE 
> WITH YOU THAT WHEN YOU SPEND YOUR WHOLE LIFE BEING AN EXPERT AT ONE THING, 
> YOU END UP BEING AN IDIOT IN REGARD TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
>
>> I do hope you have taken care of those "labels" of yours!
>
> I alwas have to do something with them when translating.
> HPB herself wasn't accurate with labels. She wrote about
> nationalist movement, that it's good, but to for contemporary
> reader it sounds like support of nazism! Probably she have
> meant patriotic movement when an individual surrenders his own
> interests for the common good of the nation.
>
> GIVE HER A BREAK, SHE WAS RUSSIAN!
>
>> So CWL said that.
>> I disagree if he was talking about Theosophical beginner Seekers.
>> But Blavatsky said something else didn't she?
>
> The same thoughts about uparati could be found in her worksv too.
>
>> He emphasised too much teachings on ESP, Ceremonial magic and
> Magical
>> sciences etc.
>
> There are really few books about ceremonial written by him in
> the last years of his life. I don't know why so many people
> emphasize them.
>
>> Try CWL's book SOME GLIMPSES OF OCCULTISM
>> "THE THREE GREAT TRUTHS.
>
>> The three great truths are:-
>> 1. God exists, and He is good.
>> 2. Man is immortal, and his future is one whose glory and splendour
> have no
> limit.
>> 3. A divine law of absolute justice rules the world, so that each
> man is in
>
>> I must protest. It is my duty to do so.
>
> He simply borrowed them from the book by M. Collins written
> long before. Subba Row wrote comments to that book and then
> no one, including Blavatsky, was shocked by it. These are
> precepts of western school of occultism having Egyptian
> origins. Blavatsky belonged to himalayan school, while
> Leadbeater and Subba Row to south Indian. Each of these
> schools has its own manner of parlance, and a little knowledge
> of theosophy is sufficient to understand them all.
>
> Moreover, we can't rely on HPB writings exclusively, for sometimes
> they contain the statements now proved as erroneous, as her statement
> about the Easter Island in SD vol 2. So in respect of proofs they
> stand much in the same position as CWL works and statements.
>
>> But that is a rather poor impact when compared to Blavatsky's
> impacts.
>
> We don't compare with Blavatsky, we compare her followers
> between them. I mean that the hard-liners had lesser impact.
> Their best achievements were exact reprints of some old books,
> and thay have done a good job, but not more.
>
>> But Raja Yoga was used by Blavatsky towards beginner Seekers
>> and not towards members within The Theosophical Society in a
>
> Leadbeater has also used "God" for a beginner seakers. :)
>
> CASS
>
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